So let me get this right. We got Tieflings, but no Aasimar and the level cap is 12?

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Talk about disappointing. Seriously a max level of twelve!? You telling me I've been hitting halfway to max level in the first act alone? How short is this game exactly?!

In Neverwinter Nights I can reach level twenty, and in DnD online I can reach level twenty. Hell even in BG2 I can reach level 20 and beyond! I think I can actually reach level 20 in Temple of Elemental Evil...

Don't get me started on Aasimar. That should've been a default option if you have tieflings.

Edit: i was wrong about TOEE. I was thinking about the circle of eight mod.

[Yojo0o]

Kinda an odd perspective snapshot you're sharing here. In the original BG saga, you could eventually hit level 20... after three games. BG1's level cap was around 7, and BG2 wouldn't allow you to get higher than 14-15. It wasn't until ToB that you could reach level 20. And DND Online is an MMO.

You don't think level 12 is high? Have you played DnD?

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Kinda an odd perspective snapshot you're sharing here. In the original BG saga, you could eventually hit level 20... after three games. BG1's level cap was around 7, and BG2 wouldn't allow you to get higher than 14-15. It wasn't until ToB that you could reach level 20. And DND Online is an MMO.

You don't think level 12 is high? Have you played DnD?

Point to where I said it was high or low. Tell me.

Also you completely missed the Neverwinter Nights comparison, and the throne of Bhaal thing doesn't matter. That is an old game, so what is the excuse for this game? Pretty much every game using the DnD system has level 20 being the max.

MMO or not it still is faithful to DnD.

[zacharyb]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Kinda an odd perspective snapshot you're sharing here. In the original BG saga, you could eventually hit level 20... after three games. BG1's level cap was around 7, and BG2 wouldn't allow you to get higher than 14-15. It wasn't until ToB that you could reach level 20. And DND Online is an MMO.

You don't think level 12 is high? Have you played DnD?

Point to where I said it was high or low. Tell me.

Also you completely missed the Neverwinter Nights comparison, and the throne of Bhaal thing doesn't matter. That is an old game, so what is the excuse for this game? Pretty much every game using the DnD system has level 20 being the max.

MMO or not it still is faithful to DnD.

Maybe there's only enough XP in the game to reach level 12.

[Mosey]

So, you're comparing 2nd edition and 3.5 edition to 5th edition.

Might want to rethink that theory, bucko.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by zacharyb:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Point to where I said it was high or low. Tell me.

Also you completely missed the Neverwinter Nights comparison, and the throne of Bhaal thing doesn't matter. That is an old game, so what is the excuse for this game? Pretty much every game using the DnD system has level 20 being the max.

MMO or not it still is faithful to DnD.

Maybe there's only enough XP in the game to reach level 12.

In that case I revert back to my question of "How short is this game" because that's extremely unrealistic since I'm hitting level 5 in the first act alone. I could probably hit level 6 in the first act if there wasn't a level cap preventing it.

Originally posted by Mosey:

So, you're comparing 2nd edition and 3.5 edition to 5th edition.

Might want to rethink that theory, bucko.

What theory? Where is the theory? I've made statements. There is no supposition in what I've said.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Kinda an odd perspective snapshot you're sharing here. In the original BG saga, you could eventually hit level 20... after three games. BG1's level cap was around 7, and BG2 wouldn't allow you to get higher than 14-15. It wasn't until ToB that you could reach level 20. And DND Online is an MMO.

You don't think level 12 is high? Have you played DnD?

Point to where I said it was high or low. Tell me.

Also you completely missed the Neverwinter Nights comparison, and the throne of Bhaal thing doesn't matter. That is an old game, so what is the excuse for this game? Pretty much every game using the DnD system has level 20 being the max.

MMO or not it still is faithful to DnD.

Neverwinter Nights came out... 361 days after Throne of Bhaal, by my count. Why is my example too old, but yours isn't?

DnD 5e campaigns typically end at level 10-14. This game doesn't need level 20. Some DnD games historically have gone into epic levels, but plenty of others haven't.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by zacharyb:

Maybe there's only enough XP in the game to reach level 12.

In that case I revert back to my question of "How short is this game" because that's extremely unrealistic since I'm hitting level 5 in the first act alone. I could probably hit level 6 in the first act if there wasn't a level cap preventing it.

Leveling slows down at higher levels.

[Oven]

Originally posted by Mosey:

So, you're comparing 2nd edition and 3.5 edition to 5th edition.

Might want to rethink that theory, bucko.

Ye, 5e level 20 should be even easier to add

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Point to where I said it was high or low. Tell me.

Also you completely missed the Neverwinter Nights comparison, and the throne of Bhaal thing doesn't matter. That is an old game, so what is the excuse for this game? Pretty much every game using the DnD system has level 20 being the max.

MMO or not it still is faithful to DnD.

Neverwinter Nights came out... 361 days after Throne of Bhaal, by my count. Why is my example too old, but yours isn't?

DnD 5e campaigns typically end at level 10-14. This game doesn't need level 20. Some DnD games historically have gone into epic levels, but plenty of others haven't.

I'm saying they're old, so the fact that the level maxes were increased later shouldn't matter. You're purposefully taking the context out of what I'm saying.

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

In that case I revert back to my question of "How short is this game" because that's extremely unrealistic since I'm hitting level 5 in the first act alone. I could probably hit level 6 in the first act if there wasn't a level cap preventing it.

Leveling slows down at higher levels.

Depends. The XP requirements soar, but that isn't necessarily slowing down so much as a finite amount of XP being on the map.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Neverwinter Nights came out... 361 days after Throne of Bhaal, by my count. Why is my example too old, but yours isn't?

DnD 5e campaigns typically end at level 10-14. This game doesn't need level 20. Some DnD games historically have gone into epic levels, but plenty of others haven't.

I'm saying they're old, so the fact that the level maxes were increased later shouldn't matter. You're purposefully taking the context out of what I'm saying.

But the level 20 cap in those games was achieved over the course of three games, so you should expect similar here.

It looks like BG3 will actually finish higher than BG1 did.

[Oven]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

I'm saying they're old, so the fact that the level maxes were increased later shouldn't matter. You're purposefully taking the context out of what I'm saying.

But the level 20 cap in those games was achieved over the course of three games, so you should expect similar here.

It looks like BG3 will actually finish higher than BG1 did.

The pathfinder games got to it in one game with no need of dlc

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Neverwinter Nights came out... 361 days after Throne of Bhaal, by my count. Why is my example too old, but yours isn't?

DnD 5e campaigns typically end at level 10-14. This game doesn't need level 20. Some DnD games historically have gone into epic levels, but plenty of others haven't.

I'm saying they're old, so the fact that the level maxes were increased later shouldn't matter. You're purposefully taking the context out of what I'm saying.

Am I? You cited examples, I cited counterexamples while correcting one of your examples. The original Baldur's Gate saga did not feature level 20 in either BG1 or BG2, it wasn't until the second game's expansion where such a level could be achieved. The implication of your examples is that level 20+ is standard for DnD crpgs, and I don't think that's true at all.

[Dinvan]

Originally posted by zacharyb:

Maybe there's only enough XP in the game to reach level 12.

I would be 100% fine with this if the game came with level 20, relying on mods to fill the gap while we hope for a dlc is not a great.

I would have loved to have at least had the ability to get 20 even if the xp for a party capped at 12, because at least then modded adventures could take us on a 1-20 journey.

Low level adventures are fine, but I dont want to stay there. I'm just hoping for a DLC that raises the cap to 20 and in the mean time hoping mods give us what we want until then.

[[GRVTS]Fat Bastard]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

I'm saying they're old, so the fact that the level maxes were increased later shouldn't matter. You're purposefully taking the context out of what I'm saying.

But the level 20 cap in those games was achieved over the course of three games, so you should expect similar here.

It looks like BG3 will actually finish higher than BG1 did.

Why should I expect similar? That was done over a decade ago. That's like saying I should expect my galaxy z fold to be the same as a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ flip-phone.

Originally posted by Yojo0o:

Originally posted by GRVTSFat Bastard:

I'm saying they're old, so the fact that the level maxes were increased later shouldn't matter. You're purposefully taking the context out of what I'm saying.

Am I? You cited examples, I cited counterexamples while correcting one of your examples. The original Baldur's Gate saga did not feature level 20 in either BG1 or BG2, it wasn't until the second game's expansion where such a level could be achieved. The implication of your examples is that level 20+ is standard for DnD crpgs, and I don't think that's true at all.

You are. You neglect to mention that I didn't even bring up BG1 because in that game you cannot reach level 20, but in BG2 you can. Disregarding that it took an expansion for that to happen.

My examples are of games where it is possible to hit level and those games were made over a decade ago. So yes, you are ignoring the context.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by Oven:

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

But the level 20 cap in those games was achieved over the course of three games, so you should expect similar here.

It looks like BG3 will actually finish higher than BG1 did.

The pathfinder games got to it in one game with no need of dlc

Pathfinder games suck though.