Can anyone Expain Sorcery Points for me?

[BlackViper]

how do i get them if i use them to manipulate magic skills?... it states i can create skill slots... does that mean i create a empty slot to put a NEW skill in so i can have more skills?.. though,, how do i get new ones to make "more" slots ... or, use it to manipulate skills i already have. im very confused overall what i can use them for really and how i get more of them

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Sorcery Points come back on a long rest, so that's not an issue.

this is confusing cause everyone says different..
I know it comes back when you use them for meta magic...
but one guy is saying if i use 2 points to get a spell slot...
then if i want to convert that spell slot back to points, i only get 1 point back of the two.. that means i lose 1 everytime...

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

ah alright.. then iknow. but that means you can ♥♥♥♥ up youre entire caracter..
i mean lets say you got 20 points, and you cant gain more cause you are MAX LVL...
sell buy sell buy sell buy... and you end up with just a few points left cause you always lose 1.. and then you cant gain more cause you cant lvl up more.. thats stupid..

i guess i will use them for meta... and i will only get a slot when seriously needed.

Ehm, no. You get all your sourcery points back on a long rest.

so even if i sell the spell slot,, i get BOTH points back that i payed for the spell slot, if i rest?

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Another neat trick you'll be able to do only at launch is multiclass into Warlock. Warlocks spell slots are always considered 'max level', they don't get level 1, level 2, level 3 etc. spell slots, they just get fewer slots but they're always considered to be the highest level the Warlock can cast.

For a Sorlock (Sorcerer/Warlock) this means you can convert your Warlock spell slots into Sorcery Points at a higher exchange rate. Warlocks also get their spell slots back on a short rest, so you can convert them, short rest, convert them again, then short rest to get them back.

Toss in a Bard with Song of Rest and you can do it one more time.

This is called Coffeelocking.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Sorcery Points come back on a long rest, so that's not an issue.

this is confusing cause everyone says different..
I know it comes back when you use them for meta magic...
but one guy is saying if i use 2 points to get a spell slot...
then if i want to convert that spell slot back to points, i only get 1 point back of the two.. that means i lose 1 everytime...

You get all your Sourcery points back on a long rest, and the bought spell slots are non permanent. Furthermore your spell slots also reset on a long rest.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

Ehm, no. You get all your sourcery points back on a long rest.

so even if i sell the spell slot,, i get BOTH points back that i payed for the spell slot, if i rest?

A spell slot is just a resource to cast your spells with. You don't permanently buy or sell them with sorcery points. If it helps you, you can think of them as leveled mana points, only that every spell you cast needs exactly 1 manapoint of a certain level.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Sorcery Points come back on a long rest, so that's not an issue.

this is confusing cause everyone says different..
I know it comes back when you use them for meta magic...
but one guy is saying if i use 2 points to get a spell slot...
then if i want to convert that spell slot back to points, i only get 1 point back of the two.. that means i lose 1 everytime...

It's temporary.

Both Sorcery Points and spell slots are a resource you use to either cast spells or to use Metamagic to modify a spell.

When you Long Rest, both Sorc Pts and all spell slots simpky reset to their base values regardless of any conversions or unspent points/slots you had before then.

Basically, you begin each "day" with just thr base values for each. They "reset".

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

so even if i sell the spell slot,, i get BOTH points back that i payed for the spell slot, if i rest?

A spell slot is just a resource to cast your spells with. You don't permanently buy or sell them with sorcery points. If it helps you, you can think of them as leveled mana points, only that every spell you cast needs exactly 1 manapoint of a certain level.

so i buy a slot, i put a skill in it.. use it as fit... when i rest.. it disapears. and i get the points back ?

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Another neat trick you'll be able to do only at launch is multiclass into Warlock. Warlocks spell slots are always considered 'max level', they don't get level 1, level 2, level 3 etc. spell slots, they just get fewer slots but they're always considered to be the highest level the Warlock can cast.

For a Sorlock (Sorcerer/Warlock) this means you can convert your Warlock spell slots into Sorcery Points at a higher exchange rate. Warlocks also get their spell slots back on a short rest, so you can convert them, short rest, convert them again, then short rest to get them back.

Toss in a Bard with Song of Rest and you can do it one more time.

This is called Coffeelocking.

interesting. dual classing sounds fun. got this game yesterday so very new

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

A spell slot is just a resource to cast your spells with. You don't permanently buy or sell them with sorcery points. If it helps you, you can think of them as leveled mana points, only that every spell you cast needs exactly 1 manapoint of a certain level.

so i buy a slot, i put a skill in it.. use it as fit... when i rest.. it disapears. and i get the points back ?

No, you don't put anything in a spell slot.
You cast a spell with a spell slot
Ie a level 1 Spell requires at least 1 free level 1 spell slot.
You have the Spells either way and you don't loose them.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

so i buy a slot, i put a skill in it.. use it as fit... when i rest.. it disapears. and i get the points back ?

No, you don't put anything in a spell slot.
You cast a spell with a spell slot
Ie a level 1 Spell requires at least 1 free level 1 spell slot.
You have the Spells either way and you don't loose them.

still confused...
i thought you brought a permanent slot that you can put another skill in and always have in youre arsenal..

so now you mean you use 2 points, to toss another skill you dont have only once?.. and when you rest you get the 2points back?.

or does the 2 points convert into a magic skill you can use "only once" or more?.. untill you rest and then it converts back into points?

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

No, you don't put anything in a spell slot.
You cast a spell with a spell slot
Ie a level 1 Spell requires at least 1 free level 1 spell slot.
You have the Spells either way and you don't loose them.

still confused...
i thought you brought a permanent slot that you can put another skill in and always have in youre arsenal..

so now you mean you use 2 points, to toss another skill you dont have only once?.. and when you rest you get the 2points back?.

or does the 2 points convert into a magic skill you can use "only once" or more?.. untill you rest and then it converts back into points?

Spellslots have nothing to do with skills, only with spells.
as a sourcerer you get 1 Spell per level for the majority of levels. You just learn the spell.
And you additionally get Spell slots according to a table in up to 9 different levels.
You then can use your spell slots to cast any spell, but each spell has a minimum level it has to be cast with.
You don't buy new skills or spells with sorcery points. You only buy More uses for your existing spells or sell uses of your existing spells for sorcery points.
And all that resets on a long rest.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

still confused...
i thought you brought a permanent slot that you can put another skill in and always have in youre arsenal..

so now you mean you use 2 points, to toss another skill you dont have only once?.. and when you rest you get the 2points back?.

or does the 2 points convert into a magic skill you can use "only once" or more?.. untill you rest and then it converts back into points?

Spellslots have nothing to do with skills, only with spells.
as a sourcerer you get 1 Spell per level for the majority of levels. You just learn the spell.
And you additionally get Spell slots according to a table in up to 9 different levels.
You then can use your spell slots to cast any spell, but each spell has a minimum level it has to be cast with.
You don't buy new skills or spells with sorcery points. You only buy More uses for your existing spells or sell uses of your existing spells for sorcery points.
And all that resets on a long rest.

oh..
so i can for example use it to toss fire ball more then once. "if now fireball was only once a day thing"..

now i get it..

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

A spell slot is just a resource to cast your spells with. You don't permanently buy or sell them with sorcery points. If it helps you, you can think of them as leveled mana points, only that every spell you cast needs exactly 1 manapoint of a certain level.

so i buy a slot, i put a skill in it.. use it as fit... when i rest.. it disapears. and i get the points back ?

It helps to think of spell slots as ammo.

A caster gets 'x' number of spell slots based on their character level, and each spell level gets it's own spell slots (Level 1 spell slots, level 2 spell slots, etc.)

Casting a level 1 spell uses up a level 1 spell slot. Casting a level 2 spell uses up a level 2 spell slot. Casting a level 3 spell uses up a level 3 spell slot. You get all your spell slots (ammo) back every time you Long Rest.

Sorcery points are nominally used to activate Metamagic, which modifies another spell (essentially giving you ways to enhance existing spells at the cost of Sorc Pts), but you can ALSO convert slots into Sorc Pts or Sorc Pts into spell slots.

This would let you, for example, convert all your level 1 spell slots (ammo) into Sorc Pts, and THEN convert those Sorc Pts into a level 3 spell slot (which would allow to cast an additional level 3 spell).

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

Spellslots have nothing to do with skills, only with spells.
as a sourcerer you get 1 Spell per level for the majority of levels. You just learn the spell.
And you additionally get Spell slots according to a table in up to 9 different levels.
You then can use your spell slots to cast any spell, but each spell has a minimum level it has to be cast with.
You don't buy new skills or spells with sorcery points. You only buy More uses for your existing spells or sell uses of your existing spells for sorcery points.
And all that resets on a long rest.

oh..
so i can for example use it to toss fire ball more then once. "if now fireball was only once a day thing"..

now i get it..

Exactly. when you are lvl5 you get 2 3rd level spellslots and you have 5 Sorcery points. You now could spend all your 5 Sorcery Points to "buy" a 3rd level 3 Spellslot to cast Fireball a 3rd time. Though quite commonly you might have better options to use your sorcery points for. Ie twinning another spell etc. You could now "sell" a lower level slot to get the sorcery points for that, after you spent all your points on the level 3 spellslot.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

so i buy a slot, i put a skill in it.. use it as fit... when i rest.. it disapears. and i get the points back ?

It helps to think of spell slots as ammo.

A caster gets 'x' number of spell slots based on their character level, and each spell level gets it's own spell slots (Level 1 spell slots, level 2 spell slots, etc.)

Casting a level 1 spell uses up a level 1 spell slot. Casting a level 2 spell uses up a level 2 spell slot.

Sorcery points are nominslly used to activate Metamagic, which modifies another spell (essentially giving you ways to enhance existing spells at the cost of Sorc Pts), but you can ALSO convert slots into Sorc Pts or Sorc Pts into spell slots.

This would let you, for example, convert all your level 1 spell slots (ammo) into Sorc Pts, and THEN convert those Sorc Pts into a level 3 spell slot (which would allow to cast an additional level 3 spell).

200% get it now.
very sorry for the confusion. when i read "spell slot" i atumaticly thought it was another slot to put a new skill in. so i had more skills lol. but now i understand how it works. <3