ACROBATICS and Athletics what to do they?

[wei270]

which you defend against a shovel which one is it?, does it let you jump further, do they let you take less fall damage?

i heard athletic also increase your carry capacity is that true?

[RealDealBreaker]

no

[Gaius]

Both defend against shovel, athletics defend AND makes your shoves better. That's about it, that's all they do, but shoves are relevant enough so they are actually relevant.

[wei270]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Both defend against shovel, athletics defend AND makes your shoves better. That's about it, that's all they do, but shoves are relevant enough so they are actually relevant.

so when it comes to shovel defense you use the higher of the two right, it doesn't make sense you get two defence rolls

[Gaius]

Originally posted by wei270:

Originally posted by Gaius:

Both defend against shovel, athletics defend AND makes your shoves better. That's about it, that's all they do, but shoves are relevant enough so they are actually relevant.

so when it comes to shovel defense you use the higher of the two right, it doesn't make sense you get two defence rolls

To the extent of my knowledge (I might be wrong) you use the highest to defend shove and always athletics to shove others.

[larhtas]

Wait i was persuaded that it was also affected jump distance. Was i mistaken?

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

The best defense against shovel is hoe.

[Gaius]

Originally posted by larhtas:

Wait i was persuaded that it was also affected jump distance. Was i mistaken?

I never heard jump was affected, specially because it has no roll and it (in theory) only affects tests - jumping in BG3 being not a test.

That COULD be a thing tough, it would make logical sense, but I never heard about it before.

Edit: Checking ingame, the shove tooltip explains how it's affected by athletics, acrobatics, being hidden or invisible, and there's no mention in the jump tooltip, so I tend to believe this isn't a thing.

The explanation for what those skills do (including jump TESTS) may be the cause for the confusion, but in BG3 we don't have jump tests, unlike in tabletop.

[larhtas]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Originally posted by larhtas:

Wait i was persuaded that it was also affected jump distance. Was i mistaken?

I never heard jump was affected, specially because it has no roll and it (in theory) only affects tests - jumping in BG3 being not a test.

That COULD be a thing tough, it would make logical sense, but I never heard about it before.

Yes you are right i don't know why i have assumed it. It's not even in the DD5 rules. Jump is only strength based to calculate the distance and if you need to jump an obstacle then you need an athletic test.
Now i get it.

[larhtas]

there is a calculator here:
https://fexlabs.com/5ejump/

[wei270]

Originally posted by larhtas:

there is a calculator here:
https://fexlabs.com/5ejump/

ok thx this one make perfect sense when you jump in to bad terran you make acrobatcs check.

[Jaevwyn]

well seeing as a Shovel is an Improvised Weapon in 5E, it would be AC.

[dolby]

Originally posted by Gaius:

Both defend against shovel, athletics defend AND makes your shoves better. That's about it, that's all they do, but shoves are relevant enough so they are actually relevant.

yeah if you belive tooltips and UI those are sadly notoriously laying in rpgs. lol. Not saying that this is the case here. But you never know with those things that why i play wiht log open all the time in games that have it..

We still have no shove rolls in log and many other rolls are incomplete or missing like Initiative rolls perception checks and so on jump roll. etc.. why i have no clue.

[Meowella]

Imagine this scenario...
You're being charged by someone trying to tackle you:
1) Person A is a big, beefy person with lots of muscles but not very agile.
2) Persons B is a small, wiry person who can dip dodge duck dive and dodge easily.

If only one of these people could defend against being knocked back/down, it wouldn't make much sense. One of them uses raw power to prevent the other person taking them down, while the other one protects themselves by avoiding and evading the incoming blow.

Obviously a single Athletics skill using either Strength or Dexterity could protect against it under the rules nicely... BUT... they have additional uses:
Athletics covers swimming, running, jumping and climbing
Acrobatics covers balance, walking a tightrope, landing safely on your feet like a cat.

Remember that skills are about training and experience, not about raw ability. Carrying is based on Strength, because strength is an attribute. A person can be trained to pack their gear more efficiently and learn how to carry their bag more efficiently, but it's nothing compared to their raw power and endurance.

Also let's not get sidetracked by people thinking it's clever to imagine the OP meant shovel as in a spade/scoop/trowel etc.

[Mr Pibbleton]

It would be nice if they improved jump distance though.