Shall i go Wizard or Sorcerer?

[BlackViper]

iknow everyone have different opinions. so would like to know (why this one) and not the other. and what race would fit best, Elf i guess? got the game yesterday will try it out later tonight, wanted to go as a spell thingy, moste dmg making, fire, electricity, things like that.

dont really understand the difference of the two classes the description dont say much.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by ManBearCannon:

No, most cantrips are ranged. Use ray of frost -- which is a ranged cantrip (like a bow).

You'll pick it up as you go. Just read the popups and dive in. To expand any of the popups, click 'T' on your keyboard. More information will pop up.

oh alright, thanks kind sir <3
but how many magic powers do i lose as a sorcerer compared to a wizard?. 20? 50?.

A wizard gets like 45 spells from levelling at max level, a sorcerer 15. And a wizard can learn additional spells from scrolls. But a Wizard has to prepare spells, and can only take so many spells into combat etc. On the tabletop you prepare Spells at the beginning of the day after a long rest. It's a little bit looser in BG3, as long rests aren't limited (though there might be resptrictions on release, that's not known yet).

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

oh alright, thanks kind sir <3
but how many magic powers do i lose as a sorcerer compared to a wizard?. 20? 50?.

A wizard gets like 45 spells from levelling at max level, a sorcerer 15. And a wizard can learn additional spells from scrolls. But a Wizard has to prepare spells, and can only take so many spells into combat etc. On the tabletop you prepare Spells at the beginning of the day after a long rest. It's a little bit looser in BG3, as long rests aren't limited (though there might be resptrictions on release, that's not known yet).

aaye but what i ment was "those 15, is a choice between all the 45? or you can NEVER get some of the wizard spells for a sorcerer? <3

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by ManBearCannon:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

im not even familiar with the dmg showing... i tried pathfinder, gave up after 2 hours though its really hard to know what to pick of all the stuff you can choice at caracter creation and i didnt understand anything about 1D6 and such.. though yesterday i looked into it and now i do undrstand it.. so i will give baldur a try. :D

This game is MUCH easier to learn than pathfinder. Pathfinder is more about building characters & parties than it is about anything else. This game is about role-playing. Just follow-along with the tutorials and you'll be good.

<3

[KingOfBeingCorrect]

The main difference is that wizards with some gold and scrolls can learn a great many spells to draw from, you can quite literally fill any role or half role if you need, lacking on healing? learn a heal spell as a backup.

Sorcerer knows an innate set of spells they can use they are not as versatile in that manner but they make up for it with meta magic, Which allows them to make spells have a longer ranger, cast twice for 1 spell slot, or let allies succeed on saving rolls for their spells which can be life saving if you see a shot for an AoE and your team is in the blast zone.
As far as the 2 sub classes go, you dont get to draw on a lot of the power of draconic yet but it boost spells and gives benifits based on the bloodline you choose, so if you really like fire or ice you can buff those spells and gain resist to that damage. While Wild magic is fun chaos that causes random effects every time you cast a spell and i think its the best class for casting cuz chaotic fun. You may cast a fireball then the random effect may heal your whole party, or give them crits on the next attack.... or you may blind them all haha

as far as what race? anything you want honestly, a race that gets stats in your main stat for that class is usually best but every race can play any class to proper effect you dont have to meta.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

Originally posted by 💔👾 ℜʊsтʏ 👾💔:

A wizard gets like 45 spells from levelling at max level, a sorcerer 15. And a wizard can learn additional spells from scrolls. But a Wizard has to prepare spells, and can only take so many spells into combat etc. On the tabletop you prepare Spells at the beginning of the day after a long rest. It's a little bit looser in BG3, as long rests aren't limited (though there might be resptrictions on release, that's not known yet).

aaye but what i ment was "those 15, is a choice between all the 45? or you can NEVER get some of the wizard spells for a sorcerer? <3

The wizard Spelllist has a lot more than 45 spells.
Basically every class has their own spell list, and there is a good amount of overlap, but each class has their own spells.
You can look them up online.
Both Wizards and sorcerers are arcane casters (together with the bard) so their spell lists overlap quite a bit.
Druids and Clerics are divine casters. They have completely different spells, and again both classes have some spells that both have and each have their own spells the other can't get.
(Though the Bard has a feature where he can get a limited amount of spells from any spell list)
So yes, there are spells the wizard has, that the sorcerer can't get, but there are also spells the sorcerer has, that the wizard can't get. Though the wizard has one of the largest spell list, if not even the largest.
But again, there are way to many spells, and I never bothered to learning the spell lists...I'm pretty sure the sorcerer has spells for pretty much every occasion anyway, so you really don't have to worry to much about that.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by ManBearCannon:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

The main difference is that wizards with some gold and scrolls can learn a great many spells to draw from, you can quite literally fill any role or half role if you need, lacking on healing? learn a heal spell as a backup.

Sorcerer knows an innate set of spells they can use they are not as versatile in that manner but they make up for it with meta magic, Which allows them to make spells have a longer ranger, cast twice for 1 spell slot, or let allies succeed on saving rolls for their spells which can be life saving if you see a shot for an AoE and your team is in the blast zone.
As far as the 2 sub classes go, you dont get to draw on a lot of the power of draconic yet but it boost spells and gives benifits based on the bloodline you choose, so if you really like fire or ice you can buff those spells and gain resist to that damage. While Wild magic is fun chaos that causes random effects every time you cast a spell and i think its the best class for casting cuz chaotic fun. You may cast a fireball then the random effect may heal your whole party, or give them crits on the next attack.... or you may blind them all haha

as far as what race? anything you want honestly, a race that gets stats in your main stat for that class is usually best but every race can play any class to proper effect you dont have to meta.

Can a wizard learn healing spells?

Not that I know of (though I'm really not a wizard player). However the Sorcerer has a subclass in Xanathars where he can learn healing spells.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Temp hp > healing 😏😉

[KingOfBeingCorrect]

Originally posted by ManBearCannon:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

The main difference is that wizards with some gold and scrolls can learn a great many spells to draw from, you can quite literally fill any role or half role if you need, lacking on healing? learn a heal spell as a backup.

Sorcerer knows an innate set of spells they can use they are not as versatile in that manner but they make up for it with meta magic, Which allows them to make spells have a longer ranger, cast twice for 1 spell slot, or let allies succeed on saving rolls for their spells which can be life saving if you see a shot for an AoE and your team is in the blast zone.
As far as the 2 sub classes go, you dont get to draw on a lot of the power of draconic yet but it boost spells and gives benifits based on the bloodline you choose, so if you really like fire or ice you can buff those spells and gain resist to that damage. While Wild magic is fun chaos that causes random effects every time you cast a spell and i think its the best class for casting cuz chaotic fun. You may cast a fireball then the random effect may heal your whole party, or give them crits on the next attack.... or you may blind them all haha

as far as what race? anything you want honestly, a race that gets stats in your main stat for that class is usually best but every race can play any class to proper effect you dont have to meta.

Can a wizard learn healing spells?

Normally? I don't know haha, and I'll admit I have not played wizard since like patch 2 or 3 but you could use a scroll and learn anything at the time. So it was possible, I would have to test it again to see if it is still possible lol

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Wizards can no longer learn any spell from a scroll, only spells from the Wizard spell list. They fixed this recently.

Arcane casters typicalky get temp hp, divine casters get healing.

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by ManBearCannon:

Can a wizard learn healing spells?

Normally? I don't know haha, and I'll admit I have not played wizard since like patch 2 or 3 but you could use a scroll and learn anything at the time. So it was possible, I would have to test it again to see if it is still possible lol

The usual healing magic isn't available to a wizard. They do technically have access to the spell Life Transference, but the cost of a level 3 spell slot to a wizard is pretty high, and I don't think I've ever actually seen a player bother to prepare it.

[KingOfBeingCorrect]

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Wizards can no longer learn any spell from a scroll, only spells from the Wizard spell list. They fixed this recently.

Arcane casters typicalky get temp hp, divine casters get healing.

Ahhh good to know they fixed it, well that botches that versatility but rightfully so haha

[Yojo0o]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by Pan Darius Loveless:

Wizards can no longer learn any spell from a scroll, only spells from the Wizard spell list. They fixed this recently.

Arcane casters typicalky get temp hp, divine casters get healing.

Ahhh good to know they fixed it, well that botches that versatility but rightfully so haha

I'd be first in line to rage against Larian if they kept that in. I'm still annoyed that it took as long as it did for them to stop it from working in EA.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

A little off topic, but once the game releases we'll be able to multiclass Sorc/Wiz...

...which is normally something you'd never want to do, as it's MAD and just delays your spell progression (as well as potentially locking you out of the highest level spells depending on how many levels you invest, particularly in a level capped game like BG3)...

...however...

A two or three level dip into Sorcerer plus the Metamagic Adept feat gets you Sorcery Points and enough Metamagics to make all of your Wizard spells far more potent and Arcane Recovery helps you get more mileage from Font/Flexible.

I think this could make for a really fun Wild Magic Sorc/Conjurer Wiz. If we get 14 levels, I'd go 3/11 Sorc/Wiz. Dump Cha and just take non-combat Sorc spells since Sorc is my lowest level.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

iknow everyone have different opinions. so would like to know (why this one) and not the other. and what race would fit best, Elf i guess? got the game yesterday will try it out later tonight, wanted to go as a spell thingy, moste dmg making, fire, electricity, things like that.

dont really understand the difference of the two classes the description dont say much.

Wizards are intelligence casters thus making them the smartest in the party if you make one, and are the only class currently in the game that uses intelligence as their main modifier.

Pros to playing a wizard: Learn 2 spells every time they level up. Can learn spells by copying scrolls into their spell book. They get the most spell slots because they can recharge their spell slots with arcane recovery. They learn the most spells so they are the swiss army knife of casters, they have a spell for every situation.

Cons to playing wizard: Very little health (shared with sorcerers) and they don't get many unique class features compared to every other class.

Pros to playing a Sorcerer: Very charismatic so they make an excellent face for the party because charisma is their spellcasting modifier. They make excellent blasters and they can modify their spells in unique ways thanks to metamagic, which only they get. They can target multiple targets with one spell in one spell slot thanks to metamagic, make spells have longer range, turn a spell form an action to a bonus action or any other number of useful ways so they can get more bang for their buck. Wild magic sorcerers are a lot of fun.

Cons to playing a Sorcerer: Same low health as a wizard. The spells they learn are limited so players absolutely NEED to know what type of spells they want. Players can screw themselves by choosing the wrong spells because they won't be able to change them until the next time they level up. Wild magic sorcerers can screw themselves and the party when a spell doesn't work right.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

iknow everyone have different opinions. so would like to know (why this one) and not the other. and what race would fit best, Elf i guess? got the game yesterday will try it out later tonight, wanted to go as a spell thingy, moste dmg making, fire, electricity, things like that.

dont really understand the difference of the two classes the description dont say much.

Wizards are intelligence casters thus making them the smartest in the party if you make one, and are the only class currently in the game that uses intelligence as their main modifier.

Pros to playing a wizard: Learn 2 spells every time they level up. Can learn spells by copying scrolls into their spell book. They get the most spell slots because they can recharge their spell slots with arcane recovery. They learn the most spells so they are the swiss army knife of casters, they have a spell for every situation.

Cons to playing wizard: Very little health (shared with sorcerers) and they don't get many unique class features compared to every other class.

Pros to playing a Sorcerer: Very charismatic so they make an excellent face for the party because charisma is their spellcasting modifier. They make excellent blasters and they can modify their spells in unique ways thanks to metamagic, which only they get. They can target multiple targets with one spell in one spell slot thanks to metamagic, make spells have longer range, turn a spell form an action to a bonus action or any other number of useful ways so they can get more bang for their buck. Wild magic sorcerers are a lot of fun.

Cons to playing a Sorcerer: Same low health as a wizard. The spells they learn are limited so players absolutely NEED to know what type of spells they want. Players can screw themselves by choosing the wrong spells because they won't be able to change them until the next time they level up. Wild magic sorcerers can screw themselves and the party when a spell doesn't work right.

ah nice.. that means charisma is needed to also make youre spells better..
it sounds now that wizard is better as a first try so you can try out spells and know what you like/dislike...
sorcerer sounds fun to but im afraid i pick the wrong thing cause i have never played this game though i own it.