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And Gale being a magical item trash compactor that need a fix every once in a while is a red flag for me.
No
I think Gale is evil
I think Wyll is selfish but considerably far from evil.
So I think the statement would be
Gale= Walking ♥♥♥♥ pile
Wyll = well intentioned egomaniac
:D
It's shallow and somewhat vain, but that begs the question, does motivation matter? If a someone saves 100 puppies from a fire for social clout, but still saved them, are they evil? I think it somewhat does matter, but not enough to fully discredit them. Wyll is vain, and as the hag puts it a "fraud of the frontiers" but out of all the companions thus far, I think he's the closest to being a "good" guy. He has his flaws however, like his obvious anger issues, which can make him reckless, and the whole debate on if all goblins should die, or there are some good ones, etc.
I don't think every goblin is a POS, but I can understand Wyll's reasons for thinking so, every experience he's had with them has been a negative one, not superficially negative either. Wyll also lies, a lot. But I think its to save his image of a hero over anything super malicious.
Gale on the other hand, I think is worse in terms of alignment. I can't fully describe why I feel this why, I just do. Something about him rubs me the wrong way, the jokes and wit, the whole thing with him and what happens if he dies. I dunno.
Wyll seems like a relatively harmless liar, whereas Gale I think is hiding something, we'll see I suppose.
I continue to fail to understand why people outright think Gale is the most horrible thing imaginable. The guy literally supports every positive thing you can do in the game, never suggests doing anything dark. Questionable a couple of times? Sure, but nothing dark. Gale to me comes off as someone who is probably like a lot of wizards, he pushed himself too far with his desire to be powerful and amazing, something that is very human, and went to a risky move trying to get his goddess' attention back, which is what produced his current condition.
I've had people on this forum bring up small moments that COULD lead to something that might indicate there's more to his story, but the balance on the scale of evidence so far in EA hard weighs on the side of him being a genuinely good person. If there's a twist to his story, I don't see sufficient evidence in EA currently and think most people are profiling him and simply claiming his evil or evil adjacent, which as I've said nothing in his personality or choices suggest that since he supports everything good you do, as well as a metric ton of super greedy self centered gamers who can't take his condition. Seriously, how did these gamers play the older Baldur's Gate games? Did you LITERALLY never sell any special equipment or swap it out for better stuff you find and get rid of the less useful stuff? They come off incredibly childish acting the way they do that they can't spare a single magical item that isn't useful to you by the time the question comes up.
It's a single player game, so they can do whatever they want, but coming onto here and almost shouting about how Gale's condition threatens to rob you of precious not real equipment, never mind the fact you can use items that aren't even equipment that you can't use in combat or play to solve his issue like the flask holding the creature or the druid idol, it just baffles me how so many of these people aren't people that could ever truly play a class like Paladin with that inability to spare something for a comrade.
I always find it funny that the people who blocked me,, seem to always read or reply to my topics regardless.
Tell me Ronin Gamer,, what's the point of blocking if you still view my content?? I would reply to your actual words too,, but I know you'll pretend that you didn't read them because I'm blocked of course. ;)
Agree to disagree, because I believe Gale's acting like a nice guy....while secretly having a dark shady past.
At least Wyll is somewhat admitting about his past history,, which is why I see him more like a Lawful Neutral person. (who's mixed with Chaotic behavior.)
Except I blame it all on the devil lady,, since "love" can make us all do crazy things! This doesn't apply to Gale though,, who gives me those judas vibes instead lol. https://youtu.be/t5sYZdoMajs
Everyone is gooder than Astarion,, even Laezel herself. 🤐
You're overexaggerating in my opinion,, but I'd like to see how many agree with your funny metaphor.
I'm confused,, why can't you admit that one of them is gooder than the other?? Can't Wyll be selfish,, yet also gooder than Gale?? You make it sound like both of them aren't,, but maybe it's because I used the wrong words to explain this topic..
Apologies everyone if that's actually the case.
Thanks for such a long response about Wyll.
I will share with you my own thoughts about him eventually? Yet for now here's more of my Wyll topics to prepare you for my essay reply. 😈 This is also a shameless plug, sorry Boreale. 😇 https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/3495383439604944356
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/3487500856976202752
Are you implying that their goodness is fake,, or just adding another trait to their characters??
If it's the second reason,, then who would you pick as the most good still?? Because the topic isn't about who's being deceitful,, but rather who's "gooder?"
Gale's going to be like Jesse Pinkman on this video below,, & finally admit how he's the bad guy imo. https://youtu.be/xXbMqKYz0-4
I think he is at best.... Chaotic Neutral.
Gale on the other hand is evil. just plain evil. While masquerading as good.
Wyll can be annoying at times with his braggadicio, but I actually find him useful as a wingman (besides being a Warlock), because he annoys Shadowheart so much with his prattle she's more likely to sleep with me. Plus the back and forth between those two is fun.
Well we know he couldn't be any of the good alignments,, since Larian has confirmed we haven't gotten any of the good ones yet.
Of course this doesn't mean that neutral or evil people can't do "good" things,, while others like Gale just pretend to be a good alignment. 🙄
After his old flame devil is gone,, then we can really know for certain.
Haven't you ever met those people who aren't themselves around a certain person?? You see their alignment switch,, & they become chaotic?? It's like I said before,, people do crazy things when they're in love,, & they'll look back not recognizing themselves at the time.
I think he was mostly LE in the beginning,, & then became LN after becoming a hero for a while? But things involving the devil lady make him more chaotic,, so If we remove or replace her,, then things will be fine.
Wyll's secretly addicted to her....which I think wouldn't surprise anyone? His crazy thoughts about her are like an alcoholic,, especially if there's no more "poison" left to drink anymore? He gets desperate,, angry,, & even resorts to violence which he soon regrets. His true colors will show after he sobers up,, & goes to "rehab" at Tav's camp. 🏕️
In this we both agree,, & who knows we might be proven wrong too lol.
Yeah he's "annoying" with his bragging... but just like Conor McGregor he backs it all up!
https://youtu.be/e00VktEfDOU
Are you one of those people who thought he's trying to woo Shadowheart too?? Well just incase,, here's another possibility on why he "annoyed" her at the time. https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/3735205021140405865#c3735205432022232200
So be open-minded Panda,, & consider that Wyll isn't trying to be a womanizer at all. 😅
Wyll and Gale are both somewhat goody, but the way Gale isn't is more interesting imho.
Gale is curious to a fault, while Will is vindictive and has anger issues. Gale can do stupid stuff, but Will is the one to tortune an innocent for information for egoistical reasons .
Also, Gale seems authenthically care for people, while Wyll cares so much for fame we have no idea if he's actually good.
This is a very complicated question from this girl’s point of view. First of all, in different ways they are both seriously sexy hunks 🥰. Some girls might fall for the bad boi lure that Wyll has, but I'm drawn to Gale’s chivalrous, persona.
The problem with both of them is that you have to share them with either a Cambion in Wyll’s case or a Goddess, in Gale’s. Although, Gale’s not sure he’s still in love with her. Either way, I’m not gonna be 2nd to anyone, not even a Goddess 😡
Back to WosM’s question;🤔
I think I would go for Gale as he’s a goody (and sexy, too). As for Wyll, if I wanted to go for a chaotic, neutral fun, he would be the one I would pick. 🤛
"Fraud is a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities! Wyll is not claiming credits for things he did not do, since he did them. He's not a person intending to deceive others...
What Wyll is trying to cover up is that he's in league with a demon... something almost anyone wouldn't want out in the open." (Liar yes, fraud no.)
If he was such a fraud, do you think he would be lowering his head & hiding his time as a Captain in the Flaming Fist? Hell no, he'd be flaunting it around that he was a Captain & who his family is, etc. He sucked as a Captain & he knows it, & acknowledges it to Tav.
He's a liar, but then so are half or more of the companions. But to be a fraud he'd have to be proclaiming to be something he isn't. The only person implying it is the soldier at the burning inn, but that is most likely hate because he failed during his time as a soldier himself. There's context (and a lot of it) here that people aren't seeing but instead taking things at face value." - Vixzian.
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1086940/discussions/0/6006138415301396040/?ctp=8#c3720566578384168523
Oh please,, Wyll is vindicated for all his anger & vindictiveness!
I'm sure Spiderman could relate & understand lol,, since he's had the same issues....yet was a goody hero regardless! ✨🦸♂️ https://youtu.be/n8qUOpao70s
"Do you think a good natured person isn't capable of mistakes or feeling forced to do make questionable decisions for the greater good? Or that good people can't make questionable decisions during periods of desperation? He is the epitome of a Tragic Hero.
I'm not at all blinded by what he is willing to do, but it's proven that he absolutely wants to do good. And puts his life on the line to do so, saving people, righting wrongs.
Wyll's still a hero, & most likely thinking of the greater good? We also know he absolutely draws the line at anything regarding harm coming to children."
"Wyll is willing to torture the prisoner to get information about Mizora, though he feels genuine shame for this, even before he acts. Although it is implied by Tav that he needs to do whatever he has to, which I interpret as a nod from Tav to get it done.
So he's picking up on our cue, which is further proven by the fact that if Tav says this is barbaric then Wyll comes to his senses. He says he can't go through with it..." - Vixzian.
"We know he has the heart of a hero, & has wanted to be a hero since he was younger! Which most likely led to him talking himself up in situations before understanding what reality really looked like...
Yet even despite Yeva's insult, Wyll still wants to go and save the Duke without even a second thought about it. So we know he is good natured by the fact that any good deeds you do affect your relationship status with him positively." - Vixzian.