Baldur's Gate 3

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magickblog Dec 11, 2022 @ 10:18pm
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bg3 Original default companion gender and classes of the match is a bit strange
I mean, it's perfectly fine for women to take any classes(No offense to any gender at all). But in this game, almost all of the classes that are high strength or wear heavy armor or are capable of front line melee combat are almost entirely ladies (Lae'zel , Shadowheart and even female Tifling barbarians,As seen in the trailer,If there are paladins, the odds seem to be that they are also female).

But the classes with low strength, high agility, and wearing light armor are almost entirely male.(WIZARD,ROGUE,WARLOCK)

It seems really strange to have such an extreme classes match.

I'm glad Jaheira and Minsc were able to show up. But where is the classic match of bg1 and bg2?Lovely ROGUE WIZARD Imoen?Neera?Nalia?Aerie? Korgan?Anomen Delryn?Keldorn Firecam?Sarevok Anchev?
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magickblog Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:08am 
Shadowheart is a priest.Almost every priest of bg1-bg2 (even Viconia with only 8 points of CON) can stand alone in the front line to face the enemy.

The cleric can even wear Heavy Armor , and can also bring a shield to cast spells, which in itself defines the frontline attributes of this classes.You don't need spell enchantment(BUFF) to have high ac. plus you are good at healing.

Even the Trickery Domain of Shadow Hearts has a very practical "Invoke Duplicity".Invoke Duplicity provides the advantage of a long-lasting, consistent and efficient melee attack.

When I say that Shadowheart can handle the front line, I'm not talking about the fact that she can do the kind of damage that a regular fighter can. In a way, you could say she's a tank (but thanks to "Inflict wounds", it's easy to do considerable damage).

That is, I just think we should have a class pairing like “" Imoen? Neera? Nalia? Aerie? Korgan? Anomen Delryn? Keldorn Firecam? Sarevok Anchev?"”, but a new companion exclusive to the bg3 original.
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magickblog Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:31am 
Originally posted by larhtas:
Originally posted by magickblog:
... That is, I just think we should have a class pairing like “" Imoen? Neera? Nalia? Aerie? Korgan? Anomen Delryn? Keldorn Firecam? Sarevok Anchev?"”, but a new companion exclusive to the bg3 original.

Originally posted by magickblog:
It seems really strange to have such an extreme classes match.
Hmm... I didn't want to bring this up but Imoen, Neera, Nalia and Aerie are like not really able to wear armor and Krogan, Anomen, Keldorn and Sarevok are characters with high str which can do. So maybe if the main complain is "too many female with high armor/str" bring this list where only mans can do are not the best idea?

I mean, I want the bg3 version of "Imoen, Neera, Nalia and Aerie OR Keldorn and Sarevok ".(A lady can also be an elegant spell caster, and a man can be a brave warrior.)
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larhtas Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:33am 
Originally posted by magickblog:
I mean, I want the bg3 version of "Imoen, Neera, Nalia and Aerie OR Keldorn and Sarevok ".
Yep i see what you mean. It's true that there is too few of companion at the moment.
An example that i like to share on my own is that i find there is too few of cleric. I think that if there was another cleric in a more "conventional" domain it could be great. Male or female.
larhtas Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:36am 
Originally posted by larhtas:
Originally posted by magickblog:
I mean, I want the bg3 version of "Imoen, Neera, Nalia and Aerie OR Keldorn and Sarevok ".
Yep i see what you mean. It's true that there is too few of companion at the moment.
An example that i like to share on my own is that i find there is too few of cleric. I think that if there was another cleric in a more "conventional" domain it could be great. Male or female.
A dwarf one would be even greater, for me.
brendan_in_china Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:36am 
Oh, now I understand what you mean by "class pairing". You mean new characters that fulfill the roles of those old characters.

Nah, can't do. The sheer ambition of BG3 means they must have fewer characters.

There is a kind of a match-up, but I put that down to class-based game design than any singular effort:

Shadowheart -> gee, no stealth cleric springs to mind, apart from BG1's Tiax
Wyll -> Nothing close I can think of
Gale -> Edwin
Lae'zel -> Korgan
Astarion -> Yoshimo
magickblog Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by brendan_in_china:
Oh, now I understand what you mean by "class pairing". You mean new characters that fulfill the roles of those old characters.

Nah, can't do. The sheer ambition of BG3 means they must have fewer characters.

There is a kind of a match-up, but I put that down to class-based game design than any singular effort:

Shadowheart -> gee, no stealth cleric springs to mind, apart from BG1's Tiax
Wyll -> Nothing close I can think of
Gale -> Edwin
Lae'zel -> Korgan
Astarion -> Yoshimo


Lae'zel -> Shar-Teel Dosan

Shadowheart -> Branwen or Viconia DeVir?
brendan_in_china Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:47am 
Originally posted by magickblog:
I mean, I want the bg3 version of "Imoen, Neera, Nalia and Aerie OR Keldorn and Sarevok ".(A lady can also be an elegant spell caster, and a man can be a brave warrior.)

Aha, the missing feminine spellcaster archetype, and masculine warrior archetype. Their absence is conspicuous, isn't it?

Honestly, I think they've left that space solely for the MC, if you wish it.

Also, it has been well done over the years, so I imagine the creative sorts pushed in other directions. And once you get hooked on a character like Lae'zel, the writing process takes over and you follow.

I reckon they probably had something like 2 dozen characters drafted and whittled them done to the most engaging and compelling. Sadly, characters of those archetypes probably just got edged out.
everybe2 Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:48am 
Inarius ?
magickblog Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:51am 
Originally posted by brendan_in_china:
Originally posted by magickblog:
I mean, I want the bg3 version of "Imoen, Neera, Nalia and Aerie OR Keldorn and Sarevok ".(A lady can also be an elegant spell caster, and a man can be a brave warrior.)

Aha, the missing feminine spellcaster archetype, and masculine warrior archetype. Their absence is conspicuous, isn't it?

Honestly, I think they've left that space solely for the MC, if you wish it.

Also, it has been well done over the years, so I imagine the creative sorts pushed in other directions. And once you get hooked on a character like Lae'zel, the writing process takes over and you follow.

I reckon they probably had something like 2 dozen characters drafted and whittled them done to the most engaging and compelling. Sadly, characters of those archetypes probably just got edged out.

Exactly !missing feminine spellcaster archetype, and masculine warrior archetype!
I envy the ability of native English speakers to express themselves.I wish I could have this level of English one day.
Yojo0o Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:52am 
This is remarkably sexist, and further deepens my utter disdain for you as a person.
magickblog Dec 12, 2022 @ 8:56am 
Originally posted by Yojo0o:
This is remarkably sexist, and further deepens my utter disdain for you as a person.

It is only discriminatory to have powerful male spellcasters but lack equally powerful and elegant female spellcasters.
larhtas Dec 12, 2022 @ 9:04am 
Well there is 5 characters... Could we talk about it when all the other ones will show up?
brendan_in_china Dec 12, 2022 @ 9:05am 
Originally posted by Yojo0o:
This is remarkably sexist, and further deepens my utter disdain for you as a person.
That's probably the most vile and malicious thing said in this entire thread. Blocked.
The only Str based character is Lar'zel.

Shadowheart is great for Pass Without Trace, Blessing of the Trickster and Create Water. If you want to deal damage with her, you're going to have to resort to Guiding Bolt and Inflict Wounds, but she does alright with a spear.
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larhtas Dec 12, 2022 @ 9:15am 
Originally posted by brendan_in_china:
Originally posted by Yojo0o:
This is remarkably sexist, and further deepens my utter disdain for you as a person.
That's probably the most vile and malicious thing said in this entire thread. Blocked.
But if he is blocked he won't be able to see this :/
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