Why is the bulette underground and why not choose umberhulk!?

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Umberhulks live underground, bulettes (AKA landsharks) live on the overworld, with a territory radius of about 30 miles and attack adventurers on overworld using their ability to tunnel. They dont actually live underground.
Umberhulks however are the same CR and live underground proper.

The Umberhulk even has its environment listed as Underdark, Bulette is listed as grassland because it uses its tunnelling ability to move below the surface. It doesnt live in the underdark...

[sammy.k.jr]

seandeven původně napsal:

Point of geographic fact,
The underdark is a biome beneath the grasslands of the overworld, if a burrowing creature cannot make it below ground.... call my belief suspension blown

I expect a Larians version of a vancian casting DnD game which I'm getting.
Thank goodness there are zero spell cooldown timers.

Not to mention attuning of items that would limit a character. Can't have that either.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

everybe2 původně napsal:

Sociocultural Information
Also known as
Landshark
Planes

Material Plane (Exandria) (all)
Elemental Plane of Fire (magma)

Locations

Dividing Plains (standard)
Underdark beneath Kraghammer (standard)
Cliffkeep Mountains (magma)
Scaldseat (magma)

Environment
Varies by type

Grassland, Hill, Mountain, Underdark (standard)
Volcanos and magma pits (magma)

https://online.anyflip.com/bxzqm/ehng/mobile/ page 35. Notice the part where it says 'ranges across temperate lands' 'hates dwarf and elf meat' 'likes to chase halfings across an open field' or 'it's sole criterion for choosing a terrirtory (30 miles wide btw) is FOOD and that it moves on once it's food source is scarce' 'They home in on humanoid settlements'

Literally everything above found in the PHB points to them living on the surface world. There is next to no reason it would remain in the underdark, at the very least not in the area of the underdark for the BG3 setting, even if it managed to go there for whatever reason.

This isn't Critical Role Tal'Dorei btw.

Now that's not to say that they couldn't be there. But it's also fair for anyone to make the argument that they probably would not be found there roaming around for any lengthy period of time and it can be inferred that it's been there a while and while an interesting story add, it makes even less sense if it is a pet that....uh....let's just say escaped lol

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Vixzian původně napsal:

everybe2 původně napsal:

Sociocultural Information
Also known as
Landshark
Planes

Material Plane (Exandria) (all)
Elemental Plane of Fire (magma)

Locations

Dividing Plains (standard)
Underdark beneath Kraghammer (standard)
Cliffkeep Mountains (magma)
Scaldseat (magma)

Environment
Varies by type

Grassland, Hill, Mountain, Underdark (standard)
Volcanos and magma pits (magma)

https://online.anyflip.com/bxzqm/ehng/mobile/ page 35. Notice the part where it says 'ranges across temperate lands' 'hates dwarf and elf meat' 'likes to chase halfings across an open field' or 'it's sole criterion for choosing a terrirtory (30 miles wide btw) is FOOD and that it moves on once it's food source is scarce' 'They home in on humanoid settlements'

Literally everything above found in the PHB points to them living on the surface world. There is next to no reason it would remain in the underdark, at the very least not in the area of the underdark for the BG3 setting, even if it managed to go there for whatever reason.

This isn't Critical Role Tal'Dorei btw.

Yeh im going by the monster manual, and the official forgotten realms stuff.
It shouldnt be there. from a lore perspective its not even passable the "pet" thing because thats now passed, they dont just sit in 20 ft of space for eternity when its no longer a pet.

[God King 069]

Fast původně napsal:

Vixzian původně napsal:

https://online.anyflip.com/bxzqm/ehng/mobile/ page 35. Notice the part where it says 'ranges across temperate lands' 'hates dwarf and elf meat' 'likes to chase halfings across an open field' or 'it's sole criterion for choosing a terrirtory (30 miles wide btw) is FOOD and that it moves on once it's food source is scarce' 'They home in on humanoid settlements'

Literally everything above found in the PHB points to them living on the surface world. There is next to no reason it would remain in the underdark, at the very least not in the area of the underdark for the BG3 setting, even if it managed to go there for whatever reason.

This isn't Critical Role Tal'Dorei btw.

Yeh im going by the monster manual, and the official forgotten realms stuff.
It shouldnt be there. from a lore perspective its not even passable the "pet" thing because thats now passed, they dont just sit in 20 ft of space for eternity when its no longer a pet.

The Umber Hulk would have been a far better choice ngl. Might have seemed more meh or too monsterous to be seen as a pet but it's a creature that specifically belongs in the Underdark.

[everybe2]

That`s the mystery for us to discover, but in reality maybe 1% of players will even notice and question such a detail.

[Harukage]

To hell with this, i am getting a deep dragon pet.

[God King 069]

Harukage původně napsal:

To hell with this, i am getting a deep dragon pet.

Heh.

[God King 069]

everybe2 původně napsal:

That`s the mystery for us to discover, but in reality maybe 1% of players will even notice and question such a detail.

You mean the D&D players that Larian used the 5e rule set for? Those players? Nice sweep under the rug there but nah I'm going to go with D&D fans would know right away. They might decide to look it over but it's like watching Ann Paquin as Rogue or Famke Janssen as Jean Grey in the Xmen. Haha. Yeah we know it was bad casting right from the start but we might still watch the film.

[brendan_in_china]

Umberhulks imply mindflayers, which should be mid or deepest underdark.

Sure, put them in, but don't be surprised to be TPK'd by an encounter that puts the Gith patrol to shame.

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brendan_in_china původně napsal:

Umberhulks imply mindflayers, which should be mid or deepest underdark.

Sure, put them in, but don't be surprised to be TPK'd by an encounter that puts the Gith patrol to shame.

the gith patrol can be solo'd and cleared in 2 turns?

[God King 069]

brendan_in_china původně napsal:

Umberhulks imply mindflayers, which should be mid or deepest underdark.

Sure, put them in, but don't be surprised to be TPK'd by an encounter that puts the Gith patrol to shame.

Same challenge rating as the Bulette and if there was worry of other Mind Flayers then I guarantee you Omeluum wouldn't just be chillin down there in the same area. Solitary Umber Hulk pet is no less weird than a Bulette one in fact it's less weird because it would actually belong there as a denizen of the Underdark.

[Brady4444]

Fast původně napsal:

Umberhulks live underground, bulettes (AKA landsharks) live on the overworld, with a territory radius of about 30 miles and attack adventurers on overworld using their ability to tunnel. They dont actually live underground.
Umberhulks however are the same CR and live underground proper.

The Umberhulk even has its environment listed as Underdark, Bulette is listed as grassland because it uses its tunnelling ability to move below the surface. It doesnt live in the underdark...

I know a lot has been said about this. But I think it is as simple as 'The Rule of Cool". Larian thought a bulette would be cool, so there it is. There is a story reason for it (a pet got loose), and that is good enough for me. Bulette seem to go wherever their hunger takes them, and I (as a player) have zero problems with one (and only one) bulette being lost in the underdark eating everything it finds.

I'm more concerned with whether or not they let us use proper 'held actions' like dodge. Also a proper reaction system.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Once hatched, the newborn bulettes immediately attacked the mother, in an attempt to kill her. She fought back, and although she usually killed a few of the young, leaving only around a fourth of the young, she succumbed to their attacks more often than not.[11]

For the 48 hours immediately after the hatching of the eggs, the powder in the mating pit was saturated with fluid from the eggs, making it a very effective fertilizer.
[...]
Bulettes never took kindly to any other creature's presence, making them impossible to tame in the wild, as they would typically attack anything that came near. The only way for a bulette to be domesticated would be to bond with it over the two days of growth while it was young, and there were a few cases where this was done successfully.

A bulette also has an int of 2...it's reasonable to assume this specific bulette a) didn't know anything else and b) doesn't know how to get to the surface.

Also:
According to Eye of the Beholder II:

Bulettes lived in the Starwood area of the forest of Cormanthor.[11] They were also known to inhabit the mysterious Darkmoon temple along the Sword Coast, where they were studied by the ancient elf, Alain.

According to Neverwinter Nights: Darkness over Daggerford

Bulettes were known to hunt in the Lizard Marsh on the Showrd Coast, north of Daggerford.

So there are cases of Bulettes not living in grasslands outside of BG3.

The explanation of it being a pet seems good enough for me...

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(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Rusty ♥ původně napsal:

Once hatched, the newborn bulettes immediately attacked the mother, in an attempt to kill her. She fought back, and although she usually killed a few of the young, leaving only around a fourth of the young, she succumbed to their attacks more often than not.[11]

For the 48 hours immediately after the hatching of the eggs, the powder in the mating pit was saturated with fluid from the eggs, making it a very effective fertilizer.
[...]
Bulettes never took kindly to any other creature's presence, making them impossible to tame in the wild, as they would typically attack anything that came near. The only way for a bulette to be domesticated would be to bond with it over the two days of growth while it was young, and there were a few cases where this was done successfully.

A bulette also has an int of 2...it's reasonable to assume this specific bulette a) didn't know anything else and b) doesn't know how to get to the surface.

Also:
According to Eye of the Beholder II:

Bulettes lived in the Starwood area of the forest of Cormanthor.[11] They were also known to inhabit the mysterious Darkmoon temple along the Sword Coast, where they were studied by the ancient elf, Alain.

According to Neverwinter Nights: Darkness over Daggerford

Bulettes were known to hunt in the Lizard Marsh on the Showrd Coast, north of Daggerford.

So there are cases of Bulettes not living in grasslands outside of BG3.

The explanation of it being a pet seems good enough for me...

Grassland is their native habitat, there are cases of it living and moving through various biomes and even hunting inside them, ON THE OVERWORLD.

There is no reasoning to a bulette in the underdark even as a pet at one time.
Especially when there is multiple....many CRs of the same class that are in fact denizens of the underdark, are easier to get as pets and would more than likely stay there.

To me, it just seems like "we mistook umberhulk and bulette".

[Runic Tunic]

Fast původně napsal:

(っ◔◡◔)っ ♥ Rusty ♥ původně napsal:

A bulette also has an int of 2...it's reasonable to assume this specific bulette a) didn't know anything else and b) doesn't know how to get to the surface.

Also:
According to Eye of the Beholder II:


According to Neverwinter Nights: Darkness over Daggerford


So there are cases of Bulettes not living in grasslands outside of BG3.

The explanation of it being a pet seems good enough for me...

Grassland is their native habitat, there are cases of it living and moving through various biomes and even hunting inside them, ON THE OVERWORLD.

There is no reasoning to a bulette in the underdark even as a pet at one time.
Especially when there is multiple....many CRs of the same class that are in fact denizens of the underdark, are easier to get as pets and would more than likely stay there.

To me, it just seems like "we mistook umberhulk and bulette".

Could be.

Could also be they just wanted a bulette and decied to put it here. It's one instance, so the fact it's native to overwolrd doesn't really matter when magic and deliberate relocation is involved. We see it all the time with tons of other creatures. Clearly this cleric did it with a bulette and got killed over it. Which also fits bulette lore being untameable and nasty.

Also, it was already shown they can indeed appear in the Underdark if what everybe2 stated is correct:

everybe2 původně napsal:

Locations

Dividing Plains (standard)
Underdark beneath Kraghammer (standard)
Cliffkeep Mountains (magma)
Scaldseat (magma)

Environment
Varies by type

Grassland, Hill, Mountain, Underdark (standard)
Volcanos and magma pits (magma)

Even if this was referring to their Underdark counterpart, it's moot at this point. A bulette being there isn't destroying or ignoring it's lore. If all bulette were there and Larian said as much, then it would be. But this is just a singular instance and they went out of their way to say as much.

Dislike it all you want, but it doesn't really go beyond personal feelings at this point. Maybe you'll get your umberhulk in full release. For now, this is just how it is.