I JUST want to play a Good Aligned Heroic Game

[Irish]

Had the game for some time. I started it and really liked the part I saw. I stopped playing because of various Patch restarts and I keep waiting and hoping to see some Good Heroes.
But the best character is the Wizard, Gale.

I know a lot of people don't like being constrained , but why is it OK to have a whole lot of Non-Good Companions and not a SINGLE choice for people to build a Good party of Heroes, rather than anti-heroes?

Larian hasn't even added Paladins yet, for Heaven's sake. Every Class that plays well as Evil or neutral, and the Sky's the limit. But If you want to play a purely heroic good guy? The heck with you. Want the possibility if a Romance for your Good aligned male character? Sure... right here is a lovely Cleric of Shar, an Evil deity. Enjoy your romance with a character that is your complete diametrically opposed opposite...

It feels like those who might want to play a Good party have no place in this game. I have absolutely no idea why. Don't get me wrong. Everyone should have options... but so far everyone is getting them EXCEPT Good aligned characters.

That's just unfair from the get go.

[Dragon Master]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kenneth:

I thought Wyll was so spinless that he had to sell his soul to an arch devil to get his spine straightened out and then he lies about it when you ask him when you first meet the guy. Am i wrong ?

I wouldn’t call him spineless.

I speculate that he desired power to be the hero he wants to be and has been a fraud up to this point and his patron, a succubus, gave him that power after he lost his eye.

I think he regrets it because he needs her in order to be the Blade of Frontiers but he also has to do what she wants, including keeping her alive, hence the goblin hunt.

I believe he wants to be a hero but doesn’t believe he can be one without having power.

[id795078477]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Irish:

But the best character is the Wizard, Gale.
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How really wrong is that (but then again - it only proves your point even more). Any character true colors are really tested when it's neither convenient nor safe to follow the mask they are wearing. In other words - when there's a crisis of some sort. Gale fails spectacularly there and reverts to his true nature - an power-hungry egoist.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cruddy horse:

1. They have repeatedly said they wanted to build and introduce the Evil-Neutral companions first, to gauge intrest and see how they want them written in the rest of the game.

Well it's been more than 2 years now. It wouldn't hurt to have at least some options for good-aligned lads - just like OP described.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Hanariel:

I personaly love how Larian is handling the characters, I'm tired of the old "lawful good heroic companion", I want to see ppl with more nuance. They might had gone too far in the other direction but for me is better them having a party of lawful goods...

OP doesn't try to deny anyone anything. On a contrary, they argue that option for everyone is great. But it seems that a very core option - for your "usual" and "good" characters and play-through is absent. OP also didn't state anything about "lawful" (albeit that also should have decent routes in the game). Just because something is "boring" (to you) doesn't mean it is okay to forego it in game as a playable option.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Incunabulum:

There are tons of those. Including tons set in the same universe as this one. Go play one of them.

This series deals with darker subjects. Like in the first game you can have a literal murderous psychopath as a companion. An actually evil Drow. You become the Lord of Murder.

You do realize that such a line of response is immature? It wasn't asked that any good-aligned route is added at the expense of the existing lore or evil options. If anything, the dark setting is a far better place and environment for good playthrough - because there it counts the most. And costs the most: It's easy to be generous when you're rich. It's easy to be a defender when you're strong. It's easy to be inspiring when you're beautiful. Now go try doing some good when you're a weak nobody with no two dimes to rub together all the while trying to not be too stinky and muddy from all the dirt on the road. Try to change the world, try to be an angel - in the hell. That's no less "serious" setting than the "dark drow overlord" you described. With the difference that the "dark drow" is an easy route in such setting.

[Bambi]

Being good isn't easy my dude.

[Redrew]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Irish:

2. I'm unlikely to learn much about Shadowheart, as I don't like Evil NPCs and so far have avoided her as much as possible.

How many hours have you played? I can tell you, the NPCs are not one-dimensioned. There is a reason why you don't see alignment anywhere and that's because they have some strict viewpoints about some things. But by playing, you can see how every follower, even Laz'ael, has the room to become a good friend, even a lover.
This particular point im quoting is pretty important. It seems that, more than an heroic party you need straightforward, onedimensional followers lol.

[Rein Terios]

Don't want to be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, but you OP sound like a person judging the book by it's cover. Shadowhearth definetly deserves a spot in a good party.

[Ari]

There's plenty of boring good choices in this game, plus this is only the beginning. Also countless other boring good aligned games too. You'll get to be your noble paladin even more so soon, don't worry.

[FunkyMonkey]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Irish:

2. I'm unlikely to learn much about Shadowheart, as I don't like Evil NPCs and so far have avoided her as much as possible.

I would encourage you to find out more about her in-game, she is not at all "evil". I'm hoping for more companions too, but I think they have to wait for release. Hopefully you get more companions that are strictly good instead the more morally complex companions in-game now if and when that is something you want. Halsin has been rumoured to be a companion, so maybe you can take him. Seems like a good dude.

And as the romances go, you can romance anyone regardless of sex or race. If there is a companion you like, go with them, I'd say.

[bumbaclad]

It's 2022, everyone is evil now; where have you been?

[dulany67]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Irish:

It feels like those who might want to play a Good party have no place in this game. I have absolutely no idea why. Don't get me wrong. Everyone should have options... but so far everyone is getting them EXCEPT Good aligned characters.

That's just unfair from the get go.

On the one hand, I understand what you want and I'm sure many agree. On the other hand, people are complicated and not so easily pegged as "good." In the interest of narrative, I hope that you will not be able to get your all "good" party at release.

Well, let me step back and say that it depends on how many companions are available eventually.

[Chillearth]

OP. You always have the option of opening several versions of the game, creating an entire party, then saving it and continuing with that game just by yourself, but with four characters you created from scratch.

Now you can be as good as you like, the only downside being you won't be triggering the companion backstories. That loss might be important in the full game, but with it only going to level four, you can do this without losing too much.

[brendan_in_china]

BG1 had a LG paladin, evoker and dwarf fighter/cleric.
BG2 had a LG paladin, elf cleric/mage, fighter-turned-cleric, and halfling fighter.

If you made your MC LG, that was a solid LG party with a couple of NG/CG to round it out.

So far in BG3 I'm not seeing any LG types. Gale might be NG, but even then he says things like 'What fools these mortals be' and was happy enough to toy with the rules of magic. There's a definite vibe of him seeing himself as 'above the rules' so to speak. His NG-ness seems to have to much to do with him being reduced to level 1.

Shadowheart could do an about heel turn if she indeed was a Selunite. But romancers beware, in party banter she states her preference for uncomplicated short-term flings. Couple that preference with the emotional discord of memory recovery, could be a bittersweet ending.

Wyll is fake, but he reminds me of Anomen from BG2. Having him choose the moral choices and follow through in breaking his pact could give him a redeeming arc. I don't know if he'd ever be LG, but NG is possible.

Lae'zel? Nope, she's going to always be a big E. I suspect a secret personal relationship with Vlaaketh here.

Astarion seems to me to be the big wild card. He's definitely E but the magic mirror vision and various dialogues give clues that he could be brought back to the light. Maybe N?

Karlach, Minsc and Jaheira? Probably N, NG and NG respectively. Wyll's amour? Might be LE.

Looking like no one on the straight and narrow.

[General Nuclear]

I just want a classic fully voiced viking dwarf companion with a scottish accent, who won't take sh*t from anyone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDHZ__kMhnM

[Alf Stewart]

it really depends how u treat them, they r standoffish at first but can like u more over time and u get more 'good side'. if u save shadowheart on the ship she is much nicer when u meet her again.

[paulstonger]

I agree OP. I love multi-dimensional characters and the different shades of grey as is actual humanity but there seems to be a thing lately where people associate good with boring. I love an anti-hero as much as the next guy but it's done so much now that it's becoming tropey. There is so much more to being "good", doesn't have to be a paladin. Personally, in my games I love the idea of a good rogue, more of a hard-nosed detective type. I really hope they do add more "good" characters. It's annoying always losing influence for doing something "good"..

[Vali]

I loved Baldurs Gate 1+2. A Good righteous Paladin could hunt the lawless enemies without mercy and was able to execute them, just for the "good".

The end of Baldurs Gate 2 was extremely satisfying as a good righteous Paladin.

I stoped playing BG3 until release, but looking forward and hope they add more interesting characters.