Dragon riding

[Dragon Protector]

Can we get a dragon to bond and grow with and ride them/fly on them as our partner and fight with them in battle?

[Runic Tunic]

Originally posted by Dragon Protector:

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

As Dragon Master said, because abstract concepts like good, evil, order, and chaos are objective planes of existence and forces of nature in DnD, being raised a certain way isn't always enough. The way it works is the more intricately tied something is to each of these forces, the more it is in their nature to embody it.

Traditionally dragons usually can't change their alignment because the act and source of their creation are intricately tied to good and evil. So trying to raise a chromatic dragon to be good is similar to teaching a baby to not be made of atoms, or a fire elemental to not be made of fire.

If/when it does happen, it's extremely rare and likely the result of homebrew or extreme circumstances.



EDIT: Just did a quick search and technically in 5e you can "try" to raise one to go against their nature, but a true shift in alignment isn't likely. You'll basically make a slightly less evil, but still evil and possibly very morally/existentially conflicted dragon.

thing is it already has happened when chromatic dragons change their side to good.

Also fizbans book details all about dragons and saying chromatic can be good and metallic evil.

There's a reason I said "extremely unlikely" and not impossible. There are also instances of fiends turning good, Modrons going haywire, and celestials falling from grace. The rule of thumb though is that it's extremely rare and not done easily or lightly.

There's also other hurdles anyway. To raise a dragon from birth to flying/riding age, well alone change it's alignment, would take at least a decade. And the scope of such a task is massive. It would have to be a huge major side plot (if not THE main plot) of the entire game to properly do it justice.

Meanwhile, this game is already packed with mindflayers, magically tampered tadpoles, the Shadow Realm, and maybe even The Dead Three. That's a lot to juggle. So technically anything is possible, I find it pretty unlikely as of right now. Closest I could see happening is maybe the Gith give us a quick ride during a fight or something, but I doubt we'll befriend or raise one.

[Membi]

Originally posted by Dragon Protector:

Originally posted by c.evald85:

Well... in accordance to DnD's logic and cosmology, a system based on the very basic and crude belief of the four opposites - law, goodness, chaos and evil plus the fifth sphere, neutrality being the middle road; pretty much every being in that multiverse belongs to one or two alignments , meaning that some dragons will be born inherently evil. It's in their nature, and their whole persona, beliefs, culture etc are built upon traits stereo-typically framed as evil. Selfishness, greed, hunger for power, cruelty etc. Those dragons will most probably see your tiny character as an afternoon snack. A nuisance.

It's not impossible for such a being to break away from that nature but don't expect every dragon to want your protection and friendship and even less, need it. They are after all some of the most powerful beings in Dungeons and DRAGONS :)

That said, WotC is moving away from the archaic alignment system and have asked Larian to do so as well, something I personally applaud them for since the system, as a storytelling tool, only ever took one perspective under consideration, that of the protagonist, which for me is prudent when you write for children but not sufficient when writing a story for adults.

As for riding a dragon in BG3? Well, I guess when you say riding you mean you want them to fly. Sadly, true verticality doesn't currently work in the game, as far as we know. Druid's flight forms can't actually fly, more like...take longer jumps. And they can be reached in melee etc. Same goes for creatures with wings.

Can you give me a link or reference on where wotc has changed this alignment thing? I know fizbans book it does allow you to choose,

Ya I mean as flying or at least riding on the ground. Maybe gliding for now.

Well. I didn't say that Wotc has removed it completely or changed it, I said they are moving away from it.

For every new edition, the importance of the alignment system and the mechanics around it has diminished. Classes are no longer locked to it and they retcon lore around several races to not be stuck in the evil/chaotic evil sphere. In the PHB 5e it's hardly even mentioned.

Although I can't find the interview, it's well known that Larian did initially intend to implement alignments in BG3 but WotC asked them to scrap that idea.

Originally posted by Dragon Protector:

true but if its a single player game. Give the player a choice at the start of a game to do non dragon rider mode then right after they beat it for the first time the next new game and any after allows you to bond with a dragon that you earned trust from through the first playthrough and deepen the bond as you go.

Dragons are powerful they shouldnt be nerfed.

As for this...you are ofc allowed to make any suggestions and wishes for the game but...a dragon rider mode? When the game is supposedly pretty much feature complete according to the latest pfh. Don't get your hopes up. That idea sounds complicated enough that not even mod creators will do it. Cool idea though, maybe someday a new Drakan or a new(and actually good) Eragon game will be announced.

[everybe2]

Originally posted by c.evald85:

Originally posted by Dragon Protector:

As for this...you are ofc allowed to make any suggestions and wishes for the game but...a dragon rider mode? When the game is supposedly pretty much feature complete according to the latest pfh. Don't get your hopes up. That idea sounds complicated enough that not even mod creators will do it. Cool idea though, maybe someday a new Drakan or a new(and actually good) Eragon game will be announced.

Yes it would be cool, but not happening at this point.

[Quillithe]

I really think they learned not to be overambitious about adding dragon combat after Divinity 2.

[Dragon Protector]

Well one can hope but ya its most likely not going to be added.

[Dragon Protector]

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Originally posted by Dragon Protector:

thing is it already has happened when chromatic dragons change their side to good.

Also fizbans book details all about dragons and saying chromatic can be good and metallic evil.

There's a reason I said "extremely unlikely" and not impossible. There are also instances of fiends turning good, Modrons going haywire, and celestials falling from grace. The rule of thumb though is that it's extremely rare and not done easily or lightly.

There's also other hurdles anyway. To raise a dragon from birth to flying/riding age, well alone change it's alignment, would take at least a decade. And the scope of such a task is massive. It would have to be a huge major side plot (if not THE main plot) of the entire game to properly do it justice.

Meanwhile, this game is already packed with mindflayers, magically tampered tadpoles, the Shadow Realm, and maybe even The Dead Three. That's a lot to juggle. So technically anything is possible, I find it pretty unlikely as of right now. Closest I could see happening is maybe the Gith give us a quick ride during a fight or something, but I doubt we'll befriend or raise one.

True. They could make it a dlc for like $40 or something.

[Яeplicant]

Originally posted by Dragon Protector:

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

There's a reason I said "extremely unlikely" and not impossible. There are also instances of fiends turning good, Modrons going haywire, and celestials falling from grace. The rule of thumb though is that it's extremely rare and not done easily or lightly.

There's also other hurdles anyway. To raise a dragon from birth to flying/riding age, well alone change it's alignment, would take at least a decade. And the scope of such a task is massive. It would have to be a huge major side plot (if not THE main plot) of the entire game to properly do it justice.

Meanwhile, this game is already packed with mindflayers, magically tampered tadpoles, the Shadow Realm, and maybe even The Dead Three. That's a lot to juggle. So technically anything is possible, I find it pretty unlikely as of right now. Closest I could see happening is maybe the Gith give us a quick ride during a fight or something, but I doubt we'll befriend or raise one.

True. They could make it a dlc for like $40 or something.

I'd rather have a full-fleged expansion, akin to Throne of Bhaal, than a DLC. However, these kind of things are unfortunately quite rare.

[Arran Chace]

Originally posted by c.evald85:

Originally posted by skullymex:

Can't think of a single one except for Drakan.

Also had that in mind! It was so cool when it came out. Well, for 13 year old boy any way :P

But, it's not a rpg but an action adventure. The closest I can think off is WoW. It is a rpg even if it's mmo.

Horizons, later called Isteria (MMO) you can play a dragon, ride them and gather a Dragon Hoard..

https://www.istaria.com/

[Dragon Protector]

Originally posted by Arran Chace:

Originally posted by c.evald85:

Also had that in mind! It was so cool when it came out. Well, for 13 year old boy any way :P

But, it's not a rpg but an action adventure. The closest I can think off is WoW. It is a rpg even if it's mmo.

Horizons, later called Isteria (MMO) you can play a dragon, ride them and gather a Dragon Hoard..

https://www.istaria.com/

Ya I already know that game and have played it. But its just not the same as having that and cutscenes and spoken dialogue.

[DeportedFetus]

Lets not and just say we did. I would rather play as a Mindflayer

[Harukage]

Just wait for someone to ask to ride a mindflayer.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by DeportedFetus:

Lets not and just say we did. I would rather play as a Mindflayer

NWN1:HotU time

Kinda.

[Ronin Gamer]

Look the important aspect to this is if Lae'zel is interested in riding my dragon born bard, then dragon riding will be of interest to me.

[Runic Tunic]

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Look the important aspect to this is if Lae'zel is interested in riding my dragon born bard, then dragon riding will be of interest to me. :aini_tama:

Frog on Lizard action. Sounds like another Argonian Maid book scenario. We can call it "Slimy Yet Satisfying"

[Ronin Gamer]

Originally posted by Runic Tunic:

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Look the important aspect to this is if Lae'zel is interested in riding my dragon born bard, then dragon riding will be of interest to me.

Frog on Lizard action. Sounds like another Argonian Maid book scenario. We can call it "Slimy Yet Satisfying"