Baldur's Gate 3

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Do you think it would be good to remove die rolls?
Larian have said they are able to make adaptions and deviatins to/from the the dnd ruleset.

I suggest removing die rolls.

It's just stupid to have so much of the game based just on luck. For example when you need to pass checks to persuade someone, it should be a fixed check not a roll, because it's like you just lose out on so much, you could have speialized in persuasion and still lose the roll because of bad luck. Btw I'm not super familar with dnd 5e ruleset, and lately i've been playing pathfinder kingmaker.

Why are DnD players so obsessed with dies and gambling?
Originally posted by Pan Darius Cassandra:
Originally posted by RealDealBreaker:
Originally posted by Pan Darius Kairos:

D&D is a role-playing game, not a roll-playing game.
yes, and dice are used to determine the uncertain outcomes. Both are in fact at the core of what d&d is.

I thought about trying to launch into a much longer explanation - but then I realized that my one line explanation really explained itself.

All ttrpg's are role-playing games. Their "core" is role-playing. Rules are a guide. They are there to facilitate, not to be a straight jacket.

Regardless of how you use the rules to play your games, I think it's a bit off the mark to comment that dice rolling is the "core" of a role-playing game.

So, once again, D&D (or any ttrpg) is a role-playing game not a roll-playing game.

You could substitute a deck of cards for the dice if you wanted to, or a handful of knucklebones, or you could use a completely deterministic system with no RNG whatsoever.

What constitutes a role-playing game are the roles people play.
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Metallicus May 6, 2022 @ 4:45am 
Originally posted by When the music ends...:
Larian have said they are able to make adaptions and deviatins to/from the the dnd ruleset.

I suggest removing die rolls.

It's just stupid to have so much of the game based just on luck. For example when you need to pass checks to persuade someone, it should be a fixed check not a roll, because it's like you just lose out on so much, you could have speialized in persuasion and still lose the roll because of bad luck. Btw I'm not super familar with dnd 5e ruleset, and lately i've been playing pathfinder kingmaker.

Why are DnD players so obsessed with dies and gambling?

D&D is a turn-based, tabletop game that relies on dice to play. If you don’t want to play a D&D game then no one is forcing you to play.
Amix May 6, 2022 @ 5:06am 
^ Calm down. LOL
Let's just answer OP in friendly manner.

Bringing successful version of D&D to video game is main challenge our beloved Larian has. Dice is most important part of D&D system hence it can not be removed.

I think they tried a lot to improve rate of success either by giving more chances or additional bonuses. Like inspiration points, advantage on dice roll with enhance ability spell, improved UI for more understanding. So many improvements, but sometimes people still fail, due to bad luck.

I think they need to add some class specific dialogues which guarantee success in the end as a last chance. Well, that is just...Hahaha
Suppose there is a fighter with low charisma, he or she can use strength based dialogue after failing first dialogue for twice.
Freak4Leeks (Banned) May 6, 2022 @ 5:16am 
Originally posted by Amix:
^ Calm down. LOL
Let's just answer OP in friendly manner.

that did not come off as hostile at all, he was simply saying that the whole point on making a game on DnD... is kind of to keep the DnD lol so if that isn't your thing best not to play.

and i will suggest the same.

If you don't like chance you can always just cheat to get 100% on dice rolls.
Coldhands May 6, 2022 @ 5:26am 
Yes, I’d much rather have thresholds than die rolls for skill checks in BG3.
When everything before and after a skill check is a predetermined option, adding RNG doesn’t actually make it feel like D&D.
Originally posted by Metallicus:
D&D is a turn-based, tabletop game that relies on dice to play. If you don’t want to play a D&D game then no one is forcing you to play.

I feel very offended when I read this.
And why are you so much opposed to removing gambling aspect? It is bad to be a gambler, they say it on advertising for casinos all the time that if you have gambling problem you should call this number.
Amix May 6, 2022 @ 5:32am 
Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:
Originally posted by Amix:
^ Calm down. LOL
Let's just answer OP in friendly manner.

that did not come off as hostile at all, he was simply saying that the whole point on making a game on DnD... is kind of to keep the DnD lol so if that isn't your thing best not to play.

and i will suggest the same.

If you don't like chance you can always just cheat to get 100% on dice rolls.

Explaining things to people who are finding something difficult to understand is more important, that is what I believe. It is best option rather than asking them to quit playing game entirely. People who write replies can choose to be more friendly but not many can see it as an option.

Baldur's Gate 3 so far has managed to be a game for everybody, that is including gamers who are not familiar with D&D system but additional tool tip might still be helpful. The game is in early access so we can only hope more improvements are coming.
dulany67 May 6, 2022 @ 5:56am 
Originally posted by When the music ends...:
Originally posted by Metallicus:
D&D is a turn-based, tabletop game that relies on dice to play. If you don’t want to play a D&D game then no one is forcing you to play.

I feel very offended when I read this.
And why are you so much opposed to removing gambling aspect? It is bad to be a gambler, they say it on advertising for casinos all the time that if you have gambling problem you should call this number.
And yet gambling is very popular. Why? Because it's exciting.
Originally posted by dulany67:
Originally posted by When the music ends...:

I feel very offended when I read this.
And why are you so much opposed to removing gambling aspect? It is bad to be a gambler, they say it on advertising for casinos all the time that if you have gambling problem you should call this number.
And yet gambling is very popular. Why? Because it's exciting.

No it's popular because most people live in poverty and it's an easy way to get out of it if you are lucky.

In gaming people prefer games to be about skill, not luck. The best player should win, not the luckiest.
mayrc May 6, 2022 @ 6:00am 
since it is allready more Divinity that DnD gameplay i would say the game can only profit from removing dice at all.
Freak4Leeks (Banned) May 6, 2022 @ 6:03am 
Originally posted by When the music ends...:
In gaming people prefer games to be about skill, not luck. The best player should win, not the luckiest.

If you're skilled you create your own luck.
Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:
Originally posted by When the music ends...:
In gaming people prefer games to be about skill, not luck. The best player should win, not the luckiest.

If you're skilled you create your own luck.
skill at hacking or what? lol
Imagine if you have like specialized in charisma and all kinds of stuff that give you higher persuasion/charisma checks, but you can still go through entire game and fail 90% of all the checks because of bad luck.
dulany67 May 6, 2022 @ 6:14am 
Originally posted by When the music ends...:
Originally posted by dulany67:
And yet gambling is very popular. Why? Because it's exciting.

No it's popular because most people live in poverty and it's an easy way to get out of it if you are lucky.

In gaming people prefer games to be about skill, not luck. The best player should win, not the luckiest.
Ha, do you really think only poor people gamble? Or that any significant percentage of people below the poverty line even gamble on more than just the lotto?

But at any rate, RNG games are not for everyone. If you can't handle RNG, you shouldn't play RNG games. Also, there is very little "skill" in assigning skills. Don't pretend it's a real gamer thing.
Freak4Leeks (Banned) May 6, 2022 @ 6:22am 
Originally posted by When the music ends...:
Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:

If you're skilled you create your own luck.
skill at hacking or what? lol

Passing a check is never required. Rolling with the punches and making your own luck they should always be treated as extra's and sometime's there is gameplay that achieves the same result. That is in my opinion the fun. I continue with my fails and find other ways to achieve my goals.

But fun is subjective of course.
Originally posted by Freak4Leeks:
Originally posted by When the music ends...:
skill at hacking or what? lol

Passing a check is never required. Rolling with the punches and making your own luck they should always be treated as extra's and sometime's there is gameplay that achieves the same result. That is in my opinion the fun. I continue with my fails and find other ways to achieve my goals.

But fun is subjective of course.
I hope so. In Pathfinder Kingmaker they had traps which kills you if you fail the check, so it means it is required to pass those checks or else it's game over if you use main character to disarm traps. I guess you can cheese the game by not using your main character but I don't like using cheese, it's borderline cheating imho.
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Date Posted: May 6, 2022 @ 4:42am
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