Can someone explain these stupid dice rolls?

[Martin]

It gives me 2 dice rolls.. I roll a 20 and a 10 it picks the 10.. not the 20.. wtf? I roll a 15 need 10 and it picks the 3.. what's the point of rolling 2 dice if it just picks the lower one?

[Martin]

Cirrus původně napsal:

Martin původně napsal:

Yeh in a dm run paper game.. that works. You're wearing heavy armour, we'll use the disadvantage die.. but in the game.. you select which die you want to count.. and it uses that number, the other die.. doesn't even need to be present.

Of course it needs to be present. It is absolutely no different from paper game. Dice propabilities work (or reduction of success propabilities) work exactly same in paper and in computer games.

But it doesn't.

In paper game the DM decides which roll to take..

You sneak up on goblin in heavy armour, you roll a disadvantage die to decide if the goblin hears you.. then an advantage die to decide how hard or fatally you hit the goblin.. because you're behind it and it didn't hear you.. that makes sense to me.

But why roll two dice, if you'll always choose the highest number? And ignore the other die roll.

[Cirrus]

Martin původně napsal:

Cirrus původně napsal:

Of course it needs to be present. It is absolutely no different from paper game. Dice propabilities work (or reduction of success propabilities) work exactly same in paper and in computer games.

But it doesn't.

In paper game the DM decides which roll to take..

You sneak up on goblin in heavy armour, you roll a disadvantage die to decide if the goblin hears you.. then an advantage die to decide how hard or fatally you hit the goblin.. because you're behind it and it didn't hear you.. that makes sense to me.

But why roll two dice, if you'll always choose the highest number? And ignore the other die roll.

You have gravely misundestood. Nobody else except rules decide which rolls to use. Those rules are exactly same in paper and this computer game.

You have also failed to understand the mathematics of taking lower and higher roll. It decreases or increases succes propability greatly. That is not possible if there is no two dices.

[Martin]

Cirrus původně napsal:

Martin původně napsal:

But it doesn't.

In paper game the DM decides which roll to take..

You sneak up on goblin in heavy armour, you roll a disadvantage die to decide if the goblin hears you.. then an advantage die to decide how hard or fatally you hit the goblin.. because you're behind it and it didn't hear you.. that makes sense to me.

But why roll two dice, if you'll always choose the highest number? And ignore the other die roll.

You have gravely misundestood. Nobody else except rules decide which rolls to use. Those rules are exactly same in paper and this computer game.

We'll have to agree to disagree.. because from the evidence, that is not correct.

[Cirrus]

Martin původně napsal:

Cirrus původně napsal:

You have gravely misundestood. Nobody else except rules decide which rolls to use. Those rules are exactly same in paper and this computer game.

We'll have to agree to disagree.. because from the evidence, that is not correct.

Facts do not change. That is correct. Lack of your understandig of facts do not change anything either.

You asked people to explaing but do not accept the explanation.

Suffice to conclude: This is how it`s going to be in this game forever.

[Martin]

Cirrus původně napsal:

Martin původně napsal:

We'll have to agree to disagree.. because from the evidence, that is not correct.

Facts do not change. That is correct. Lack of your understandig of facts do not change anything either.

You asked people to explaing but do not accept the explanation.

Suffice to conclude: This is how it`s going to be in this game forever.

No.

I do not agree that it has been fully explained. Give me examples, specific examples of when in BG3 you would select the disadvantage die roll? The game doesn't choose your roll.. you do, before you roll. Therefore there is no reason to roll 2 die if only 1 die is being used.

For example.

I click on the disadvantage die and both roll. The disadvantage die is a 3 and the advantage is a 15 and I need 10 to win.

The game will always use the 3 score. Because I chose to hit/click on the disadvantage die when rolling. If I'd clicked on the other one, I'd use the 15 score and won.

In the game the die are two die rolling. But only one is used.
In paper you put them both in your hand or cup and roll both together. The DM then chooses which die to use to determine the outcome. But in the same circumstances, there is no reason to actually roll the other die if it won't be used anyway.. it doesn't reflect on the outcome.

[Cirrus]

Martin původně napsal:

Cirrus původně napsal:

Facts do not change. That is correct. Lack of your understandig of facts do not change anything either.

You asked people to explaing but do not accept the explanation.

Suffice to conclude: This is how it`s going to be in this game forever.

No.

I do not agree that it has been fully explained. Give me examples, specific examples of when in BG3 you would select the disadvantage die roll? The game doesn't choose your roll.. you do, before you roll.

There is no ”you would select disadvantage die roll”. You do not select anything yourself. Disadvantage is not *your choice*.

[Cyroy]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this guy is dense. Do you read and/it listen to the things people are saying at all? Because it doesn't seem like it. Sit back, take a moment and read through everything everyone has said again. Your question has been answered and your misunderstanding of the facts don't change that.

[Metallicus]

Martin původně napsal:

It gives me 2 dice rolls.. I roll a 20 and a 10 it picks the 10.. not the 20.. wtf? I roll a 15 need 10 and it picks the 3.. what's the point of rolling 2 dice if it just picks the lower one?

Something isn’t “stupid” just because you don’t understand it, however, I do understand if you are frustrated by the mechanics of 5e. I don’t much care for this rule set either.

[Cirrus]

Martin původně napsal:

In the game the die are two die rolling. But only one is used.
In paper you put them both in your hand or cup and roll both together. The DM then chooses which die to use to determine the outcome.

Paper game does not work like that.
DM never ever decides which die to use. Rules decide that.

5E rules or DM (as per storytelling purposes) decide before dice roll that this roll needs to be disadvantaged or advantaged. Then you roll as rules say and rules decide (advantage/disadvantage rule) how that roll is interpreted.

[Deprivator]

I haven't played BG3 in a while, so I don't recall this mechanic. But it sounds like he's saying the game is letting him PICK which die to use, that seems odd. Rolling both at once and the game picking the lower of the two when I'm at disadvantage makes total sense. He's saying that each die is different, like one green and one red, and if I'm at disadvantage it will always pick the green one (assuming the green was disadvantage). If that is true he has a point that it is definitely confusing. I'd expect that if I'm at disadvantage, i get NO choices, it just rolls both dice and i get the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ roll. That's how people seem to be explaining it, but he seems to be experiencing something else in game, so he's either misremembering how it works in the game, or something is off.

[Starwight/ttv]

Wow, this is an insane thread. Let me try to explain Advantage/Disadvantage in a way OP will understand (hopefully).

First of all: As a PLAYER (which is what you are in BG3), you do NOT choose if you roll normally, at advantage, or at disadvantage. When rolling advantage or disadvantage YOU do not pick which dice is taken as the number. The rules that govern the game do. With that out of the way, let's break down advantage/disadvantage and normal rolls.

Normal: You roll 1 di, and that is it. ONE singular d20 roll. This is the standard roll in the game, and most rolls will be done in this manner.

Advantage: You roll TWO dice, and the highest roll is applied to the check or attack.

Disadvantage: You roll TWO dice, and the LOWEST roll is applied to the check or attack.


Mechanics: Once again, you do not get to choose if you roll at advantage, disadvantage, or a standard roll. There are circumstances in the game that will dictate how you roll. MOST of the time, your rolls will be normal. Some beneficial circumstances may dictate you get advantage (example, you are sneaking and it is very dark, and the person you are trying to sneak by doesn't have dark vision).

Conversely, some situations may be detrimental to your character, and you will have DISADVANTAGE imposed on your roll (example: You are trying to persuade an NPC to do something for you, but you just recently slapped his wife--you probably will have a lesser chance of being able to persuade them for obvious reasons).

Advantage makes it more likely you will succeed, and disadvantage makes it more likely you will fail.

Once more, you as a player, do not choose whether or not you have advantage, disadvantage, or neither. Various circumstances will determine this (and some spells can effect this). There are a wide variety of things that can impose one or the other.


I hope this clears things up for you, because I really don't know how to explain it any clearer.

[flyingscot1066]

It seems there is a misunderstanding about advantage and disadvantage dice. There is no die that is dedicated as either and Advantage die or a Disadvantage die.
When you have Advantage (which is a condition based upon circumstances where your chances of success are higher than normal), you roll two dice and the more advantageous result is applied. Conversely, when you have Disadvantage (a condition exists which adversely affects your chances of success), you also roll two dice, but the less advantageous is applied.
You don't actually choose either, they are simply applied as appropriate to the situation.

[guard65]

the OP thread sounds purely like troll games. It holds no debate pro / con logic, just adversarial. Perhaps to young to do math or reason logic.

[Alealexi]

I am starting to think OP is just trolling.

[Kryldost]

In short advantage and disadvantage are meant to work this precise way, there are be situations you have the upper hand and some where they do. You could see it this way; in advantage you pick the die. In disadvantage they do! You wouldnt pick the lower die if you pick and they wouldnt pick your highest if they pick it.

You are told where you stand in this matter before you choose so from there you either take the risk to gamble the die or choose another option that would fit your needs better. If there's no other option but to fight you fight.

This playthrough I let Wyll torture the man for Spike to get his answer. We didn't kill Spike though. Last time I did this Spike got killed and we freed that man right away. I know I'll just kill him later anyway when I wipe the camp :V