Why are all the NPC's unlikeable jerks?

[Brother Dakka]

Am I the only one that pines for characters like aerie, minsc, yoshimo, imoen? They all had likeable characteristics from the beginning. It feels like everyone either starts off as a ♥♥♥♥, evil, aloof. Mabye they can drastically change thru good storytelling but I just dont...LIKE any of these npcs. This may be the first baldurs gate i say F it and just make an all custom party right away and miss all the good side stories.

[Aepervius]

GrandMajora a écrit :

Vorpal Spoon a écrit :

Are the characters in your party for BG3 really that deplorable? I have not played it and come here every month to see BG3's progress, but if all of the party characters are emo's (which is what I'm hearing) then where is the fun in that? I assume this is just EA and there will more 'neutral' characters later on?

They're not completely insufferable, but they do tend to come across as being more self centered and arrogant than some people are willing to put up with.

Astarion is a High Elf, a vampire (spawn) and has the noble background. So... yeah, you can imagine how that goes.

I don't think there is an issue with a few such companion.

I think the people (and I include myself into it) is that there are far too many without contrast really.

As a DM and as PnP player, they remind me too much of the odd social jerkj which ruins it for everybody else by playing in a scale going from "jerk pc" to "murder hobo PC".

That scale is wayyyyy too much into the anti social side, and that is what rubs people the wrong way.

Contrast is much better when you have a variety. And you can play your role much better with a variaety of companion character having a mood all over the spectrum.

[Aepervius]

Also to add on this : the latest divinity had companion which were sometime jerk but far more gray and less grating on the social scale (even murder -hobo elf canibal was more contrasted IMO).

[Mr. Phil Good]

Brian Sirith a écrit :

Phyzzlesaurus Rex a écrit :

Most of the people complaining about them don't understand the evolution of relationships from interaction and have no patience for it. Which means they're basing their judgments on the cover of the book and not the pages in between of each character.

Judgemental.

It's actually not as most of the people complaining about them are complaining how "mean" they are from the start. This game isn't out yet, this isn't even the complete first act as so much of it is still subject to change and be updated. They're basically ready a chapter that is still a work in progress and believing said characters of that chapter are terrible when the characters themselves are still subject to change when the finished project comes out.

Also, I believe a few people have pointed out that Larian told us they were giving us the more "evil" characters first. I can't speak if this is true or not as I've not researched this but we are supposed to be getting at least 3 more characters. A tiefling which we do meet in the game already and can even offer her to join our camp but she refuses for now, a halfling and a human that have been data mined.

[wpmaura]

I agree especially the rogue vampire there all. Ass. Hats where's minsc and want to be here. Not a. Bunch of. Whiny cut throats

[Sogreth]

Brian Sirith a écrit :

Phyzzlesaurus Rex a écrit :

Most of the people complaining about them don't understand the evolution of relationships from interaction and have no patience for it. Which means they're basing their judgments on the cover of the book and not the pages in between of each character.

Judgemental.

He's right though.

wpmaura a écrit :

I agree especially the rogue vampire there all. Ass. Hats where's minsc and want to be here. Not a. Bunch of. Whiny cut throats

Oh, I forgot. People only had the capacity for stupid companions that could only speak by screaming, or were just the joke of the game.

BG3 companions are much more realistic. Imagine playing a TT game with someone that acts like Khalid or Xzar. I would burn their character sheets.

[Teirdalin]

My main issue with the companions is that I have to see them on every single loading screen even though I'm a solo player. Unless they fixed that by now.

Also they all had horrible personalities last time I played, killed the vampire right off the bat. (No pun intended)

[King Ballsmear]

It's D&D, everyone plays chaotic characters.

[Aria Athena]

REDFIELD BLOODLINE LEON a écrit :

It's D&D, everyone plays chaotic characters.

I live and breath chaotic, and I reject the accusation.

[Teirdalin]

REDFIELD BLOODLINE LEON a écrit :

It's D&D, everyone plays chaotic characters.

In my last D&D campaign I was a chaotic neutral mage which used his magic just to screw around mostly, animating goblin heads to make puppets, tricking random tavern people with that spell that makes sounds and whatnot and the invisible servants.

The magic system in D&D is a lot of fun for someone who is chaotic. The two paladins in the group didn't appreciate the antics too much.

Was also the groups thief with almost no points in DEX.

[Aldain]

Aria Athena a écrit :

REDFIELD BLOODLINE LEON a écrit :

It's D&D, everyone plays chaotic characters.

I live and breath chaotic, and I reject the accusation.

I'll be your evidence, I usually play Neutral Good and get dragged along by a bunch of murder hobos.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

People tend to play Chaotic Lazy, as killing generally "bad" things and taking their stuffs is the easiest road to victory.

[Shakoris]

Just kill them all, make custom characters, and forget them. I don't care about your past if you are a jerk because you refused to process it in a civilized manner.

[Core]

Because the scenario is badly managed. With how it is presented, chances are, they are whipping the characters to make the player feel involved. This would best aim at the closest to the player, the companions.
There are certain tricks to make it work, well documented from greek tragedia, which even German/Dutch/Flander(they are terrible at drama/tragedia/comedia, all of their authors) could apply, without resorting to drastic measures on main character personalities but that would require a lot of work at this stage and I don't think Larian is into that.
Not sure if it makes any sense to tell this to someone who thinks that brain-jokes are funny.

[Sogreth]

The Face a écrit :

Ah the kid that thinks edgy is realistic. What a time to be alive

Is "edgy" the only adjective you know? If "edgy" is the only way you can describe the BG3 companions, then I'm going to say "Yes" and that you most likely failed Grade 4 English.

They aren't edgy. I would say Shadowheart is the only one closest to being edgy. But no one can expect someone like you to be able to comprehend character building, backstory and personality traits.

[Dorok]

REDFIELD BLOODLINE LEON a écrit :

It's D&D, everyone plays chaotic characters.

Ànd what?

If companions don't matter, then NPC don't matter, then any single NPC story doesn't matter, but what matter in the game ? XP and Gold?