Why must Sazza die ?

[dieter-65]

I have now six walkthrougs - always take care, that Sazza survives and is not hostile. But always after killing the three bosses, she break down - dead ?
The only way that she survives is, don't kill the three goblins above the spider cave. In that case, Smytie (don't know his name exacly) is killed by pushed down to the spiders. Talking with Mizora she will be sentenced Sazza to kill from the spiders. If you rescue her, she goes down to the hall and survive. If you rescue Smytie and kill the Goblins, Sazza stays in the room and died after killing the bosses.
Anyone an idea, how to survive Sazza and rescue Smytie too ?

[GrayAngel]

For this kind of situation i have only one idea and is not available in EA. 9-th level Spell: Wish ;)

[maanemann]

Any news here? I think Sazza is just trying to get by and happens to to be a victim of her bosses. Seing her hp being very low seems to me that she is more of a worker than a fighter. And she stay loyal to her part of the deal. There should be a way to save her..

[God Queen 158]

She'd make a nice chaotic little camp follower maybe if you go Minthara route? Evil playthrough needs some henchmen!

That or the ability to tell her to gtfo of there and that you'll spare her life before you murder the rest of the camp.

[Spoonardo]

Thanks for the spoiler title post...

[ima420r]

Originally posted by xBrutalitopsx:

Thanks for the spoiler title post...

ikr! What happened to spoiler warnings and not putting spoilers in the title?

[Kryldost]

She was alive for me after first two but I killed minthara after I sent her to the druid camp for the ambush! Never checked back on her. I also would have liked having her join our camp after minthara tells her she is indebted to us.

[TheHourMan]

Guide to keeping her alive:

1. Free her from the cage in the grove. Sneak her out through the cave below. 2. Stand up for her with Minthara so that she is spared. Either kill the three leaders OR join Minthara in wiping out the grove. 3. At Moonrise Tower, tell the guards to release the goblins. The other goblins will be shadow cursed undead outside. Sazza is not among them so I'm not sure if she made it out alive.

[Blackfrost]

She automatically dies if you choose to kill the three bosses.
Her life is -oddly enough- tied to that of Ragzlin, the hobgoblin boss.
If he dies, she dies automatically.

Not sure if it's an issue with his death trigger or if it's intended.

So yeah, if you want to keep her alive you gotta side with Minthara.

[LeftPaw]

I've just said in another post I would love Sazza as a companion. I would get on great with her and she's a shinning light after all those other boring nonces I have in my camp.

Why didn't they give us one character we could connect with? Karlach is the closest you get to someone with a personality, all the others are soggy rags.

[PogChamp]

Sazza doesn't die if you refuse to accept it

[LeftPaw]

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

She automatically dies if you choose to kill the three bosses.
Her life is -oddly enough- tied to that of Ragzlin, the hobgoblin boss.
If he dies, she dies automatically.

Not sure if it's an issue with his death trigger or if it's intended.

So yeah, if you want to keep her alive you gotta side with Minthara.

Interesting.

[Tracido]

The devs actually broke the D&D mechanics they praised and put in the game to FORCE the camp to turn on you, so I'm kinda done playing myself for now. They need to allow the stealth kills to work, or else the game itself becomes pointless, D&D allows these things, to take them away, lessens the whole exp.

[Blackfrost]

Originally posted by Tracido:

The devs actually broke the D&D mechanics they praised and put in the game to FORCE the camp to turn on you, so I'm kinda done playing myself for now. They need to allow the stealth kills to work, or else the game itself becomes pointless, D&D allows these things, to take them away, lessens the whole exp.

You can stealth kill the whole camp: it's just Ragzlin's death that triggers the entire area to become hostile for some odd reason.
I'm more inclined to believe it was an oversight or a bug rather than an intended event

[Tracido]

Originally posted by Blackfrost:

Originally posted by Tracido:

The devs actually broke the D&D mechanics they praised and put in the game to FORCE the camp to turn on you, so I'm kinda done playing myself for now. They need to allow the stealth kills to work, or else the game itself becomes pointless, D&D allows these things, to take them away, lessens the whole exp.

You can stealth kill the whole camp: it's just Ragzlin's death that triggers the entire area to become hostile for some odd reason.
I'm more inclined to believe it was an oversight or a bug rather than an intended event

Yeah, it needs to be patched, because there are two factors here. One is the D&D rules themselves are being broken (Greater Invisible, and Hypnotic Pattern on the ENTIRE room still triggers this when he is killed in absolute stealth, or by accident with a chandelier out of sight), and TWO, the Druid himself tells you killing the leaders avoids bloodshed with the goblins if you can do it in stealth.

[jaz_fireforge]

Originally posted by TheHourMan:

Guide to keeping her alive:

1. Free her from the cage in the grove. Sneak her out through the cave below. 2. Stand up for her with Minthara so that she is spared. Either kill the three leaders OR join Minthara in wiping out the grove. 3. At Moonrise Tower, tell the guards to release the goblins. The other goblins will be shadow cursed undead outside. Sazza is not among them so I'm not sure if she made it out alive.

This is very helpful thank you, but the problem seems to arise during the killing the three leaders part. she seems to randomly die after finishing off some or all of the goblins. i am still going through saves to figure out exactly when...from other comments it seems to be raglin maybe? (edit) I can now confirm that she can survive even raglin, maybe it is killing the third leader whichever it happens to be??...but when you return to the hall she is randomly dead despite never having attacked her and there being no enemies in the area...whats going on?