Experienced DnDers who dislike the game

[Gaindalf the Whey]

I've seen a lot of comments saying that you'll like the game if you liked DoS 1/2, don't know much about DnD lore or don't expect much DnD to be true to / in the game.

As someone who doesn't know much about DnD lore and only just started learning, what is it exactly that BG3 offers that doesn't make it true to DnD, or rather, what doesn't it offer?

I'm personally very much enjoying the game and enjoying learning about DnD. I'd like to see what you think.

[Absinth Minded]

These kind of comments are weird. They have seen maybe 1/3 of the game. What kind of lore is contradicted or missing or anything is still a mystery to everyone but the WotC and Larian Team.
Not only that but we are talking about a game that had a whole strip of land just vanish in fog because someone made a deal with a lost/dead devil so he could live forever. Also that fog traps souls and teleported that whole place into the shadowfell. Sure ....

Anyway. It's cool that you enjoy it, keep enjoying it and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

[zero]

as someone who has been playing D&D for over a decade: i honestly do not see what the big deal is.

mechanically they take some liberties, sure, okay, so do many adventure paths over the years, some of which has just become official content.

its not a perfect game, its filled with tons of bugs, but in terms of D&D being D&D, it does a good job of it, though some mechanics need work

[tdoucende]

Originally posted by Kane:

what is it exactly that BG3 offers that doesn't make it true to DnD

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Today I play a warrior (or whatever class, I do not really care) ! I can heal like a cleric and cast spells like a wizard with my ninety scrolls. When I am hurt in a fight, I eat my bogies and I feel better. My bogies are very abundant, it is very practical. I can fart also. This is a magic fart. When I fart, I avoid what some D&D people call "AoO". And it is strategic too. I can flee with my fart, and I can gain advantage. It is fun. I like advantage. I do not need spells and complicate things to have it. It is good. You know, I just fart. Or I climb stairs or ladder. If my buddy is down, I touch him, and it is ok. Buddy's back. A dozen times if I want. Touch. Cured. Touch . Cured. Otherwise, I throw a potion on the buddy, et voilà. No more need of what D&D people call "healing word". Oh I do not need what D&D people call a bow and a sword. I can cast grenades, powder barrels (it is better than this old and dusty D&D fireball), boom boom, they are all dead. It is very fun. I don't know why D&D people want 100% of rules. What are D&D people complaining about ?

[Ceilingcat]

Patch 4 already adresses some of the issues. This is EA and they cry like it is the finished game.

[dolby]

Originally posted by zero:

as someone who has been playing D&D for over a decade: i honestly do not see what the big deal is.

mechanically they take some liberties, sure, okay, so do many adventure paths over the years, some of which has just become official content.

its not a perfect game, its filled with tons of bugs, but in terms of D&D being D&D, it does a good job of it, though some mechanics need work

hehe, first you say it's fine and no big deal then you say it needs more work??? Maybe, i mean decide?>
When a die hard don't know what to pick, so funny. On one side he wants to defend the devs but on the other he wants better gameplay ow the conundrum, must be hell..

Originally posted by Ceilingcat:

Patch 4 already adresses some of the issues. This is EA and they cry like it is the finished game.

What exactly? mechanically the game is the same i guess will have to wait and see.

As i see it just quality of life things like casting spells on portraits.. More and more combat is staying how it is.

[zero]

Originally posted by dolby:

Originally posted by zero:

as someone who has been playing D&D for over a decade: i honestly do not see what the big deal is.

mechanically they take some liberties, sure, okay, so do many adventure paths over the years, some of which has just become official content.

its not a perfect game, its filled with tons of bugs, but in terms of D&D being D&D, it does a good job of it, though some mechanics need work

hehe, first you say it's fine and no big deal then you say it needs more work??? Maybe, i mean decide?>
When a die hard don't know what to pick, so funny. On one side he wants to defend the devs but on the other he wants better gameplay ow the conundrum, must be hell..

that isn't a contradictory statement, my friend.

the game isn't perfect, name one that is, but those are bugs and gameplay mechanics, you know, stuff that is expected to have major issues during a beta/EA, it's stuff that can be fixed.

hence: no big deal, it also doesn't detract from the D&D of the game, the core mechanics and the setting/world is there, its clear as day whats going on and that its D&D, even if some stuff is messy.

to pretend the world is in black and white is a diservice to yourself. very little is "yes/no" sometimes it can be as simple as "its good, but.."

ie, i like spicy food, it also upsets my stomache. so what should i decide, is spicy food good or bad? as you said: "i mean, decide?"

or, realistically, can i say its both good AND upsets my stomache?

review scores aren't a 1 or a 10, they are a spectrum, much like opinions are, and my opinion is overall posititve, but i do have critiques.

[dolby]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by dolby:

hehe, first you say it's fine and no big deal then you say it needs more work??? Maybe, i mean decide?>
When a die hard don't know what to pick, so funny. On one side he wants to defend the devs but on the other he wants better gameplay ow the conundrum, must be hell..

that isn't a contradictory statement, my friend.

the game isn't perfect, name one that is, but those are bugs and gameplay mechanics, you know, stuff that is expected to have major issues during a beta/EA, it's stuff that can be fixed.

hence: no big deal, it also doesn't detract from the D&D of the game, the core mechanics and the setting/world is there, its clear as day whats going on and that its D&D, even if some stuff is messy.

to pretend the world is in black and white is a diservice to yourself. very little is "yes/no" sometimes it can be as simple as "its good, but.."

ie, i like spicy food, it also upsets my stomache. so what should i decide, is spicy food good or bad? as you said: "i mean, decide?"

or, realistically, can i say its both good AND upsets my stomache?

review scores aren't a 1 or a 10, they are a spectrum, much like opinions are, and my opinion is overall posititve, but i do have critiques.

ow the pain LOOL


you said people are making a deal out off it when in fact they are just giving feedback and your making a deal out of that feedback. Like all die hard fany boys on this forum..

[tdoucende]

Look at that : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IgN2IAZi8Hho6X_7XpiW-0N_cUYEJvX8/view

Plus, when people say that are not happy with a homebrew rule, it does not necessarily mean that the people satisfied with it would not be satisfied with the implementation of the RAW rule. So, when you get around 40/50% of unsatisfaction with a homebrew rule, it is a very bad sign, and that with the implementation of the RAW rule the overall percentage of satisfaction would be clearly higher on many items.

So it is a shame to just ignore the results of the poll on these issues when they could just give now (and it could have done just after the poll) some options to deactivate Mario Bros Style, which is easy for +300 people in 6 offices.

[dolby]

Originally posted by tdoucende:

Look at that : https://drive.google.com/file/d/1IgN2IAZi8Hho6X_7XpiW-0N_cUYEJvX8/view

Plus, when people say that are not happy with a homebrew rule, it does not necessarily mean that the people satisfied with it would not be satisfied with the implementation of the RAW rule. So, when you get around 40/50% of unsatisfaction with a homebrew rule, it is a very bad sign, and that with the implementation of the RAW rule the overall percentage of satisfaction would be clearly higher on many items.

So it is a shame to just ignore the results of the poll on these issues when they could just give now (and it could have done just after the poll) some options to deactivate Mario Bros Style, which is easy for +300 people in 6 offices.

Interesting survey... you can see distinct differences when you look at how it should be lets say over all freedom vs balance etc...

but then you got backstab where there is no clear winner:)

[dulany67]

I have some issues with how the rules are implemented, but it is not as bad as some D&D purists make it out to be. Larians changes make each character more mobile and self sufficient in combat. It's fun, possibly more fun depending on your pov.

The other major issue is full rest at any time and food. I have more of an issue here where Larian changes the D&D resource management. But again, it's going to be a pov thing.

[Alealexi]

I only issue I have is the disengage button combined with jump. They need to be separated and disengage needs to be changed to a full action so opportunity attacks can have a chance to be used. Otherwise opportunity attacks will never happen.

[Dragon Master]

My biggest concern is the jump mechanic acting as a disengage action, but even that is not too big a deal for me since they compensated with rogues having a possible 2 bonus actions.

[Soft Lockpick]

Small rule changes drastically alter balance in a game like this. Think of it like this. You're playing a racing game, you love it. Then they release a patch that lets you accelerate from 0-60 instantly. Now, it's still a racing game. The other rules are totally the same. But I think we can all imagine how that would really change how the game plays and remove depth from the game. That's kind of what has gone on here because they started with a divinity foundation. That'd be fine if it was just the starting point, but...

The disconcerting thing is the more they talk the more they seem to be saying "Yeah this D&D stuff is hard, we're just going to keep the divinity stuff and change what we feel like" not because it's better... just because it's easier.

So, changing the action economy (the cost of doing a shove for example) from tabletop to here really changes the nature of the game. Changing the way disengage and jump work. Barrels of explosives laying all over the place because the Divinity games had them everywhere. All these things really alter how the game plays.

Then there are the balance changes that actively weaken some abilities - they've inflated monster hitpoints and lowered their AC to make fights... well, they'd probably say more exciting and I'd say slower. But in doing so spells that are based on an enemies remaining hitpoints that would be 5 star spells in the tabletop game are really diminished in value in the early game. And all EA is is the early game.

[dolby]

Originally posted by Soft Lockpick:

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i think it's more about knowing that they have a hard fan base for Dos 2 and they are trying to cater to everyone's needs. In short, minimize the risk of a backlash from that fan base.
If this was the restaurant business and they would make food i would be fine with it i guess. But even there you give options and then people pick in the menu...

But if you want the best game you can make... well i'm not convince... it could be... but not sure if that's the best way of going at it. We will see, with full release.

[Soft Lockpick]

Originally posted by dolby:

Originally posted by Soft Lockpick:

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i think it's more about knowing that they have a hard fan base for Dos 2 and they are trying to cater to everyone's needs. In short, minimize the risk of a backlash from that fan base.

This isn't a Divinity game. Supposedly, anyway. If a Divinity fan showed up, bought a D&D game, and got upset it had D&D rules the only way to describe that behavior is irrational.

I think your assumptions there aren't based in reality. It is far more likely they are simply "doing what they are comfortable with regardless of the rules" rather than trying to make a D&D game that represents the D&D ruleset. Because it's easier.

If this was the restaurant business and they would make food i would be fine with it i guess.

Bad analogy. It'd be more like "If this was a pizza place and they made a decent General Tsos but didn't sell pizza you'd be ok with it." Well, maybe you would. But some people showed up for pizza specifically. Probably a lot of them.