To people who say it's DOS X.Y

[Seven of Nine]

I just can't understand. Although I have never played the original BG series... I just can't understand...
BG is RTwP -> There are other games that use RTwP. Are they BG games then? No... I understand, but... DND combat is TB anyway... Does it make a difference anyway? I mean you've got autopause, you can pause if need be which breaks the game down to one turn being interrupted with pauses. And IMHO thinking ahead is better than being able to react quickly or not. I'm not saying that RTwP is bad don't get me wrong. Just because it's TB it is immediately titled the next-DoS although the game has got nothing to with DoS in tone, ruleset, even though it is turn based, it plays a ton more different than any of the DoS games.
Tone: to be honest I like the tone. People who say it's too bright basically sleepwalked the being on the nautiloid ship part, that thing was all but bright. If you are talking about the fact that the game is bright as in brightness of monitor... I beg to differ. With Patch 4 they have made some areas darker, and the underdark so far has been amazing even before patch 4. I do agree still that some parts of it could be darker. And actually even BG1-2 had somewhat brighter areas. To be honest with you lot, a game's brightness is not always graphical, there are some dark(er) tones going on without you noticing it, the druid grove, and how you can play that out can be gruelly dark and somewhat less dark, especially once you consider that even your average goblin is a sentient being, even if aligned evil. With the mindflayer tadpole thing going on I am super hyped about how the story is going to play out and I'M sure it will have some dark vibes to it. And at least I get to decide whether or not I want to be good or evil, each with its consequences which are quite visible even in Act 1 / EA. RP / Storywise this makes a huge difference.
Storywise it is not a BG game. BG is set in the DND setting, and to my knowledge this game is still in the DND setting. And as far as I know, the Bhaalspawn saga is concluded.

But the combat is DOS-like... and you know what? It does make the game right. I mean, Larian is known for including the environment into combat, and with being able to shove people off from higher elevation, into oil which then I set on fire makes the game feel... more actual DND like. A game that rewards creative thinking a lot.

With you lot the thing is that you want BG1/2 with 2020 graphics. You don't want BG3, you want BG1-2 with 2020 graphics. Even then I still say that a game / franchise has to evolve, and I really like where the game is going.

UI? I actually like it. You know BG1-2 like UI would be considered next to archaic by 2020 standards.

Party size not being 6... Gosh... A few well developed characters > a lot more with less development. Haven't played BG1/2 so I don't know about the side characters, but based on what I've seen from BG3, the side characters have got quite some story behind them. They could add more even then, the game is in EA at the moment so they could add more... But you know what? Being able to take everyone with you would do more harm than good. Currently a party size of 6 would mean, you don't get to choose who you bring with yourself and who you don't. This has huge implications both story and gameplay wise. I like it more. The only thing that is arguing for a larger party size is a group of friends above 4. That is the only thing I would say, yes, go include larger party sizes (up to a limit), but if you are playing single-player, then a smaller party size gets you to choose / influence your playthrough for different results. I really hope they will further go down that path, and see paths diverging depending on who you bring with yourself. They did that amazingly in DOS2, and to a lesser extent DOS1.

The story is still a mystery. Please complain about this somewhere else.

Disclaimer notice: This is not because I was a Larian fanboy. Objectively speaking, this game is a good game, I would say exceptional and they set the standards quite high for themselves for their next entry after BG3. And in more than one way, this game is a worthy spiritual successor of the original BG games.

[Alealexi]

surreptitious a écrit :

Because it is.
Same Engine
Im playing DOS2 right now.

If they had no exploding barrels, and everything didn't catch on fire it would be hidden better.

I like both games, probably because they are sooooo similar.

How? There are no classes in DOS2. The mechanics a drastically different. There is no extended range for your spells on higher ground. There are no cooldowns on abilities. The barrels are are there but no everywhere in massive numbers like in DOS2 where is was necessary to play.

[Hobocop]

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Electric Sheep a écrit :

Yet, you seem to fail to see BG3 as a standalone title. However, in the past it was teased that it does have some ties to previous titles.

Remember, you're judging a EA title by it's name and the incomplete story it currently has. Maybe there is more to it that it currently lets on, maybe it doesn't. Maybe you're too blinded by nostalgia. Could be a number of things, who knows.

But keep in mind, nobody as of now knows what the complete storyline entails.

It cant be a continuation of a story thats done. Bhaal is no more.

You would be incorrect.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bhaal#Reemergence

Surprisingly, things happen in the setting outside of the scope of the computer games.

[Ginkgo Biloba]

Hobocop a écrit :

. a écrit :

It cant be a continuation of a story thats done. Bhaal is no more.

You would be incorrect.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bhaal#Reemergence

Surprisingly, things happen in the setting outside of the scope of the computer games.

We are talking about baldurs gate 1 and 2 wich are computer games.

[Alealexi]

. a écrit :

Electric Sheep a écrit :

Yet, you seem to fail to see BG3 as a standalone title. However, in the past it was teased that it does have some ties to previous titles.

Remember, you're judging a EA title by it's name and the incomplete story it currently has. Maybe there is more to it that it currently lets on, maybe it doesn't. Maybe you're too blinded by nostalgia. Could be a number of things, who knows.

But keep in mind, nobody as of now knows what the complete storyline entails.

It cant be a continuation of a story thats done. Bhaal is no more.

Bhaal is a God. He had a avatar body in the times of troubles. Did you not read the lore from before BG1 & after BG2. Shame that you know nothing about the history of BG. Look up the Dead Three to get an update on the lore.

[Jack Hawklight]

Alealexi a écrit :

surreptitious a écrit :

Because it is.
Same Engine
Im playing DOS2 right now.

If they had no exploding barrels, and everything didn't catch on fire it would be hidden better.

I like both games, probably because they are sooooo similar.

How? There are no classes in DOS2. The mechanics a drastically different. There is no extended range for your spells on higher ground. There are no cooldowns on abilities. The barrels are are there but no everywhere in massive numbers like in DOS2 where is was necessary to play.

^^This. I find it an interesting phenomenon that people have played both games and can't see the many differences. They just get tunnel vision on what is similar, which are mostly the superficial aspects of the game.

[Ginkgo Biloba]

Alealexi a écrit :

. a écrit :

It cant be a continuation of a story thats done. Bhaal is no more.

Bhaal is a God. He had a avatar body in the times of troubles. Did you not read the lore from before BG1. Shame that you know nothing about the history of BG.

He had planned that Mellisan would resurrect him and she betrayed him, wanting his essence for herself. If you chose to become a god you basicaly take his essence and if you dont Solar dissipates it or something like that

[Hobocop]

. a écrit :

Hobocop a écrit :

You would be incorrect.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Bhaal#Reemergence

Surprisingly, things happen in the setting outside of the scope of the computer games.

We are talking about baldurs gate 1 and 2 wich are computer games.

Yes, and the setting has moved on since the end of those games. Other stories have taken place, and your refusal to accept the events of the last 100 in-setting years is irrelevant.

[Alealexi]

. a écrit :

Alealexi a écrit :

Bhaal is a God. He had a avatar body in the times of troubles. Did you not read the lore from before BG1. Shame that you know nothing about the history of BG.

He had planned that Mellisan would resurrect him and she betrayed him, wanting his essence for herself. If you chose to become a god you basicaly take his essence and if you dont Solar dissipates it or something like that

Maybe you need to get an update to you lore. BG2 had two different endings but Bhaal still lives. The story has advanced +100 by now and you need to accept that there is new lore.

[Alealexi]

Hobocop a écrit :

. a écrit :

We are talking about baldurs gate 1 and 2 wich are computer games.

Yes, and the setting has moved on since the end of those games. Other stories have taken place, and your refusal to accept the events of the last 100 in-setting years is irrelevant.

^^ +1

[Ginkgo Biloba]

Alealexi a écrit :

. a écrit :

He had planned that Mellisan would resurrect him and she betrayed him, wanting his essence for herself. If you chose to become a god you basicaly take his essence and if you dont Solar dissipates it or something like that

Maybe you need to get an update to you lore. BG2 had two different endings but Bhaal still lives.

Not in the context of the games. From what i heard it follows a novelization that differed greatly from the games. I am just pointing out that this isnt a sequel to the baldurs gate 1 and 2 video games. To be clear i am glad we get more D&D games its just a naming mistake and not the end of the world.

[R3sistance]

Neverwinter Nights 2 doesn't really follow on from Neverwinter Nights, and yet that is the same setting (Forgotten Realms), as Baldur's Gate. And some of the same people that worked on Baldur's Gate 1, 2 and Neverwinter Nights, also worked on Neverwinter Nights 2. Should we not call Neverwinter Nights 2, Neverwinter Nights 2 because it goes on it's own storyline from Neverwinter Nights?

[dulany67]

The idea that it's not BG3 because it doesn't continue the story is such a cringe-y, nerd rage argument. I have more respect for those who complain it's not RTwP.

[Seven of Nine]

funniesthobo a écrit :

There are a massive amount of examples of games and other media that have sequels which are similar to how BG3 is a sequel.

The real problem in these forums is just simply that haters gonna hate.

Edit: at least they were pretty quick about locking all the threads saying the exact same thing that guy tried to necro today.

Didn't try to necro, but I get into the forums on steam, and all i see again is that this game is DOS X.Y which is frustrating. I have only been playing this for the last couple of months, and I think the game is exceptional... or at least it has the potential to with the final release... but there are people who are so die-hard fans of the OG that they simply shout out stuff without even playing the game and calling it a doom and disaster to the BG series.

[zero]

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Alealexi a écrit :

Boy do you need to look at the final fantasy series.

Final fantasy games are stand alone entries while baldurs gate 1 and 2 are not.

a sequel is a contiuation upon a theme, the theme being "adventures through the forgotten realms" as it quite literally sold itself as, its on the back of every BG box.

its also a sequel in the sense that the events of 1/2 are canonical to 3.

[gildar1]

I LOVE the combat in this game. I REALLY don't care it is not a "continuation" of BG1 and 2 (Though I LOVED both those games). What I would LOVE to see them do is allow for 4-6 player group. Let the player decide. I also hope they have a difficulty slide. So far it has been a fantastic ride....