Best race for Druids?

[Olden Sloe]

Best race for Druids and why? Please...

[R3sistance]

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"What you fail to realise is that Dex is basically coming in at the same point as Con. The CON is still doing nothing for you when you're wild shaped, your argument is nonsense."
In caster form you're not suppose to be in front line. Con ensures that you have enough hit point to endure hits and maintain concentration spells. While you only need +2 dex for max armor rate. My Druid is currently having 19 AC. No amount of DEX is going to make it any better in chapter 1. Simply put your argument makes no sense. There is no point in increasing dexterity past 14.

You don't need to be front line to be hit, nor did I set any scenario where this is the case. AoEs are AoE and melee isn't the only form of attack, or did you miss all those people with bows while playing?

19 AC as max? Well If you have Studded Leather +1, that is 13 AC, a Shield is +2 AC, then 18 Dex is +4 AC So with studded leather and shield that's already hit your max. But I am curious as to how exactly you hit 19AC, since the only non-metal medium armour is Hide and you'd be 12+2+2 or 16AC or 17 AC for a Hide +1. So how are you with medium armour are getting that additional 2AC. I haven't checked all items but that'd require more than would be available. But then you seem to imply some equipment of metal armour, which if true is likely oversight or bug in the game.

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pumis:

"When you're wild shaped your CON and your DEX are replaced, so your base CON and base DEX don't help."
Again you keep repeating this line. While you ignore the caster form.

"Caster Form", you mean normal form, which literally I address in the very NEXT line.

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"When you're NOT wild shaped, you are using BOTH your CON and your DEX, this means your AC being based off of DEX"
Max armor rating in current game is 19. You only need dex +2 modifier to achieve it.

You can't achieve 19AC with hide +1, shield and 14AC, the highest you can get is 17. You can get 19AC with leather and you can definitely get higher than 19AC else wise.

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"I literally just tested playing as Druid and I was NOT able to equip Scale so the no metal armour rule applies! Literally the ONLY medium armour you can wear is Hide which IS worse than Studded Leather"
I'm literally wearing metal armor. You're a liar. Do I need to take screenshot for you or something? Other guy did also point it out as well that he could wear METAL.

No I tested it, you can't wear Scale as a druid. If you're wearing any metal armour (I didn't test chain or half-plate for example, but these ARE Metal), that is most likely a bug as druids are not meant to be able to wear those.

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"As I've said, one of the characters I PLAY in 5E is an Aarakocra Moon Druid, none of this is new to me and the implementation I have seen thus far sticks to literally all the same rules here."
Ah so now we go to fallacy of argumentum of authority. Big news flash for you. I have played as a druid and I have also been DM lot of times. You're not holding more expertise on this subject than I do.

Then if you had DM'ed which I can tell you haven't, you'd know Druids can't use metal and thus Studded Leather is used for druids with 16+DEX. I can see through obvious lies.

Proficiencies
Armor: Light armor, medium armor, shields (druids will not wear armor or use shields made of metal)

Go on, check the PHB, read the Armor Proficiencies for Druid, it clearly states, no metal armour or shields. It's actually a hard limitation, even if you multiclass, you can no longer use metal armour or shields.

[Indure]

I can confirm and its easily testable that wearing Lae'zel's metal half plate is perfectly viable for a druid.

[R3sistance]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Indure:

I can confirm and its easily testable that wearing Lae'zel's metal half plate is perfectly viable for a druid.

Ok, have you tested others? Like Half-plate or scale? That might just be an oversight/bug.

[Indure]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Indure:

I can confirm and its easily testable that wearing Lae'zel's metal half plate is perfectly viable for a druid.

Ok, have you tested others? Like Half-plate or scale? That might just be an oversight/bug.

Just tested and can confirm that what pumis said Druids can wear scale, chain and half plate.

[Hobocop]

Druids have always been able to wear up to half-plate baseline with a roleplaying/flavor concession that it would likely be made from alternative materials, and there never was any mechanical restriction in 5e that prevented them from using more traditional forms of armor if they wanted.

[Fistimus Maximus]

if I remember it is down to the circle/deity they follow in regards to wearing metal

[R3sistance]

Sigh, I'll back down, maybe there was another reason I couldn't wear the scale, like the game was calculating weight of the armour from my own inventory against itself, I'll retest but I wasn't allowed too. Yes Druids for lore reasons don't wear metal but it's a heavy enough part of what they are for it to be stated in the PHB as (Druids will not). Anyways, I shall have to retest it. However saying there is no reason to choose Wood Elf instead ignores the whole point of the additional skill, the faster movement speed and 2 proficiency in bows. Since you did mention "traits", the race features here are quite significant.

Also you took it too ego, which is kinda saying something, I didn't make it personal, you did.

[Fistimus Maximus]

Początkowo opublikowane przez R3sistance:

Sigh, I'll back down, maybe there was another reason I couldn't wear the scale, like the game was calculating weight of the armour from my own inventory against itself, I'll retest but I wasn't allowed too. Yes Druids for lore reasons don't wear metal but it's a heavy enough part of what they are for it to be stated in the PHB as (Druids will not). Anyways, I shall have to retest it. However saying there is no reason to choose Wood Elf instead ignores the whole point of the additional skill, the faster movement speed and 2 proficiency in bows. Since you did mention "traits", the race features here are quite significant.

Also you took it too ego, which is kinda saying something, I didn't make it personal, you did.

perhaps its the minimum strength requirement?

[R3sistance]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Fistimus Maximus:

perhaps its the minimum strength requirement?

I'd have to check if there is such a thing in this game, I was only running 8 strength anyways.

[Indure]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez R3sistance:

Sigh, I'll back down, maybe there was another reason I couldn't wear the scale, like the game was calculating weight of the armour from my own inventory against itself, I'll retest but I wasn't allowed too. Yes Druids for lore reasons don't wear metal but it's a heavy enough part of what they are for it to be stated in the PHB as (Druids will not). Anyways, I shall have to retest it. However saying there is no reason to choose Wood Elf instead ignores the whole point of the additional skill, the faster movement speed and 2 proficiency in bows. Since you did mention "traits", the race features here are quite significant.

Also you took it too ego, which is kinda saying something, I didn't make it personal, you did.

perhaps its the minimum strength requirement?

minimum strength requirement isn't a thing for medium armor.

[Indure]

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Początkowo opublikowane przez Indure:

minimum strength requirement isn't a thing for medium armor.

wait... Are you playing as dwarf?

I am playing a dwarf druid, but not sure I see why it's important.

[R3sistance]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pumis:

Faster movement speed is irrelevant in bg3. I rarely seen movement speed making any difference in encounter designs. Why use bows when you can do the same with cantrips?
But if we look at the real traits... Well melee axes does plenty of damage and do qualify for certain broken feat that gives +10 flat damage ;)

"Also you took it too ego, which is kinda saying something, I didn't make it personal, you did."
Looks like the opposite for me. I knew I were right, while you kept doubling down even when there were two people confirming that your story doesn't add up.

I've seen movement speed matter, a few cases I was just out of range of what I wanted too. Which is where bows come in, since bows are at a range of 18M, I don't think any cantrip gets close to that for druid. Thorn Whip I believe is 9M (and drags things closer to you) while Poison Spray I believe is 3M.

I admit I maybe mistaken and will retest/revisit since it might be more information worthy of recording somewhere, some reason I was prevented. strength is one idea to test (but shouldn't be the case, thinking maybe weight glitch, I did move it to my inventory but weight was near full). As for as a certain broken feat, I assume that's GWM? Which if it is, would have to not just give +10 but also do it to non-heavy weapons? Not doubting this, just sounds like it'd be really broken if it's this feat. If I wanna hit things with a melee weapon, I'd still stick to quarterstaff myself to use wisdom, esp in regards to attack rolls.

[Soft Lockpick]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pumis:

Początkowo opublikowane przez R3sistance:

Sigh, I'll back down, maybe there was another reason I couldn't wear the scale, like the game was calculating weight of the armour from my own inventory against itself, I'll retest but I wasn't allowed too. Yes Druids for lore reasons don't wear metal but it's a heavy enough part of what they are for it to be stated in the PHB as (Druids will not). Anyways, I shall have to retest it. However saying there is no reason to choose Wood Elf instead ignores the whole point of the additional skill, the faster movement speed and 2 proficiency in bows. Since you did mention "traits", the race features here are quite significant.

Also you took it too ego, which is kinda saying something, I didn't make it personal, you did.

Faster movement speed is irrelevant in bg3. I rarely seen movement speed making any difference in encounter designs. Why use bows when you can do the same with cantrips?
But if we look at the real traits... Well melee axes does plenty of damage and do qualify for certain broken feat that gives +10 flat damage ;)

"Also you took it too ego, which is kinda saying something, I didn't make it personal, you did."
Looks like the opposite for me. I knew I were right, while you kept doubling down even when there were two people confirming that your story doesn't add up.

Faster movement can play a role in kiting enemies for a warlock, just as an example. Depends on playstyle.

But really it's about tradeoffs. I don't see much for the druid in any non-wis race that balances the wis boost. And of the +wis races it seems pretty obvious wood elf is going to win out for overall flexibility and in many cases power. Though if you have a race with +wis you probably wouldn't notice the differences too much on the power front. More on the versatility front, where elf wins in a big way with free skills.

[R3sistance]

Początkowo opublikowane przez Soft Lockpick:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Pumis:

Faster movement speed is irrelevant in bg3. I rarely seen movement speed making any difference in encounter designs. Why use bows when you can do the same with cantrips?
But if we look at the real traits... Well melee axes does plenty of damage and do qualify for certain broken feat that gives +10 flat damage ;)

"Also you took it too ego, which is kinda saying something, I didn't make it personal, you did."
Looks like the opposite for me. I knew I were right, while you kept doubling down even when there were two people confirming that your story doesn't add up.

Faster movement can play a role in kiting enemies for a warlock, just as an example. Depends on playstyle.

But really it's about tradeoffs. I don't see much for the druid in any non-wis race that balances the wis boost. And of the +wis races it seems pretty obvious wood elf is going to win out for overall flexibility and in many cases power. Though if you have a race with +wis you probably wouldn't notice the differences too much on the power front. More on the versatility front, where elf wins in a big way with free skills.

We are comparing Wood Elf and Gold Dwarf, both give the same +1 Wisdom.

[Soft Lockpick]

Początkowo opublikowane przez R3sistance:

Początkowo opublikowane przez Soft Lockpick:

Faster movement can play a role in kiting enemies for a warlock, just as an example. Depends on playstyle.

But really it's about tradeoffs. I don't see much for the druid in any non-wis race that balances the wis boost. And of the +wis races it seems pretty obvious wood elf is going to win out for overall flexibility and in many cases power. Though if you have a race with +wis you probably wouldn't notice the differences too much on the power front. More on the versatility front, where elf wins in a big way with free skills.

We are comparing Wood Elf and Gold Dwarf, both give the same +1 Wisdom.

Right, so the trade off there is free skills, move speed, and fey ancestry vs a small hp boost and poison resist.

The power boost from the dwarf side is almost nonexistent. The versatility boost from the elf side is valuable.