Goblin Camp - do I have to kill them all?

[Rudel]

Question is in the title.. after I killed the 3rd boss, everyone went hostile and now I have to fight an army of Goblins.

Any way to prevent that? It doesn't feel very subtle to hit the "kill em all" button.

[Ronin Gamer]

Well you can fast travel out if that's what you mean. If you mean some way to defuse the situation so the goblins outside won't kill you on sight, no. They will stay hostile. If you just want to get out of there though and not fight them at all or just yet, just use the fast travel button near the mini map to travel to a new location.

[Zangetsu]

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Well you can fast travel out if that's what you mean. If you mean some way to defuse the situation so the goblins outside won't kill you on sight, no. They will stay hostile. If you just want to get out of there though and not fight them at all or just yet, just use the fast travel button near the mini map to travel to a new location.

It is kind of cheesy though. How to escape goblin camp, uh fast travel! How did your characters actually escape the goblins though? Fast travel!

[Ronin Gamer]

Originally posted by Zangetsu:

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Well you can fast travel out if that's what you mean. If you mean some way to defuse the situation so the goblins outside won't kill you on sight, no. They will stay hostile. If you just want to get out of there though and not fight them at all or just yet, just use the fast travel button near the mini map to travel to a new location.

It is kind of cheesy though. How to escape goblin camp, uh fast travel! How did your characters actually escape the goblins though? Fast travel!

You asked for a solution to the problem and I explained using the game and it's mechanics how you can do so to avoid the situation. If your question was aimed more at how to explain your way out of it, I don't believe there is one if you kill the bosses. There are alternate ways out of it but I'm not here to give you a lore heavy way to character explain your way out of fighting all the goblins. Have a good night.

[Zangetsu]

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Originally posted by Zangetsu:

It is kind of cheesy though. How to escape goblin camp, uh fast travel! How did your characters actually escape the goblins though? Fast travel!

You asked for a solution to the problem and I explained using the game and it's mechanics how you can do so to avoid the situation. If your question was aimed more at how to explain your way out of it, I don't believe there is one if you kill the bosses. There are alternate ways out of it but I'm not here to give you a lore heavy way to character explain your way out of fighting all the goblins. Have a good night.

I am not OP

[Streeja]

There are a couple of things you can decide to do here. This is why choices matter and have consequences and why this game is great.

If you choose to kill the 3 goblin leaders then yes, they will all turn on you based on your choice. There are ways to get out, go to the underdark, fast travel, or sneak out (not through front door).

You can also sneak back in if you need to go back in after they are all hostile. There is a goblin that offers to tell you about the secret route back in as well, but that would be a spoiler...

If you chose to not kill the 3 goblin bosses, then you can make some other choices that may or may not turn the entire camp hostile. That is really all up to you and the choices you make.

That answer your question?

[sevenfoothamster]

The only bosses you can really kill without aggroing the entire camp are Gut and Minthara.

Gut you just gotta figure out how to kill her before she sounds the alarm (which is fairly easy if you've got a warlock and lae'zel. Since the game BEGS you to bring Wyll to the goblin camp, this is a given) when she asks to see you alone and tries to drug you. Being an elf and parking your party outside helps, since she fails her History check and doesn't realize elves are immune to sleep.

Minthara is a bit more...esoteric. You have to tell her where the druids are and lead her to them, then turn on her and fight off the goblins she brings with the help of the tieflings. You're still fighting a literal army of goblins (and bugbears. And an ogre. And a drow cleric.) but this time you have Zevlor and his tieflings backing you up.

That route takes FOREVER though, because there really are a lot of goblins and a lot of tieflings and everyone has their own turns.

After that the only guy left is Raz. Who is, btw, REALLY easy to actually kill (you can use Mage hand to shove him into a hole. No joke.) but the goblins will become hostile because they all saw your mage hand shove his ass into a hole.
So what you can do is have an Arcane Trickster rogue, or someone with invisibility or high stealth, use Mage Hand to push him in from far away, then book it out of the zone before they realize what you did. They'll still aggro on you, but this route gives a possibility of escape without just using fast travel after killing him.

Conversely you can also stealth kill a lot of the weaker goblins. You can climb up into the rafters and snipe them, or pick them off. There are a few optional encounters with them if you bring Wyll.

If your party's level 4, most of them won't be much of a challenge aside from the humans and the 3 bosses themselves.

[Bloodonmoon]

It would be interesting to hear from the devs if it's actually normal that the whole camp turns hostile after the killed the 3 leaders, considering that you can break the drums, and thus, should be able to kill the 3 of them without sounding the alarm. For now, once you killed Raz, no matter if you broke the drums or made sure not one if the ennemis in the room can escape to warn others, the whole camp (inside and outside) turns on you. Personnaly, knowing that, since my second run, I poison the goblins drinking outside (and make sure I can get away with it), and kill the few goblins that are on the way from underdark road to Halsin's jail, before I've killed the last leader. Then I get to the underdark and escape the camp.

[Rudel]

Thanks, I was just wondering if I did something wrong. It's seems very strange that they do not offer a more subtle route to solve the quest, like luring them to separate rooms and kill them there. I do not have any issues at Level 4, it just feels strange that you are forced to kill everyone after they put up so much story in the camp.

[sevenfoothamster]

Originally posted by Rudel:

Thanks, I was just wondering if I did something wrong. It's seems very strange that they do not offer a more subtle route to solve the quest, like luring them to separate rooms and kill them there.

That's actually precisely how you can kill Gut. Minthara and Ragzalin just have guards so it's much, much harder.

Maybe if they decide to add activity cycles at some point, but even then Minthara will be difficult cuz drow don't sleep.

[Indure]

Originally posted by Zangetsu:

Originally posted by Ronin Gamer:

Well you can fast travel out if that's what you mean. If you mean some way to defuse the situation so the goblins outside won't kill you on sight, no. They will stay hostile. If you just want to get out of there though and not fight them at all or just yet, just use the fast travel button near the mini map to travel to a new location.

It is kind of cheesy though. How to escape goblin camp, uh fast travel! How did your characters actually escape the goblins though? Fast travel!

You can technically escape without the fast travel. Either by entering the underdark or sneaking back out of the goblin encampment.

[sevenfoothamster]

Originally posted by Indure:

Originally posted by Zangetsu:

It is kind of cheesy though. How to escape goblin camp, uh fast travel! How did your characters actually escape the goblins though? Fast travel!

You can technically escape without the fast travel. Either by entering the underdark or sneaking back out of the goblin encampment.

Thanks to the new escape mechanic, you can also just run out the front door. More dangerous and takes forever to do, though.

[Vixziค็็็็็n]

Originally posted by Indure:

Originally posted by Zangetsu:

It is kind of cheesy though. How to escape goblin camp, uh fast travel! How did your characters actually escape the goblins though? Fast travel!

You can technically escape without the fast travel. Either by entering the underdark or sneaking back out of the goblin encampment.

^This. It makes sense that the goblins become hostile as with any common sense someones going to notice somethings up. So it makes much more sense that going through the goblin camp was a means to an end which is either to save the druid and/or find a way into the Underdark. Going in to save him and then coming back out like nothing happened after the leaders mysteriously disappear just doesn't work as well.

[sevenfoothamster]

Originally posted by Vixzian:

Going in to save him and then coming back out like nothing happened after the leaders mysteriously disappear just doesn't work as well.

Even Halsin doesn't like that. He's pretty insistent on fighting his way out and slaughtering every goblin he comes across. It's only because, presumably, he has a beefy wisdom modifier that he can avoid giving in to it.

Plus in the case of this game, all 3 leaders have a tadpole in their heads and are exerting control over the goblins. It actually makes MORE sense that the goblins are immediately hostile to you since they'd immediately identify you as a threat and "broadcast" you to their followers as they die.

This doesn't quite explain why they know it's you when you use the mage hand assassination trick, but I'm gonna chalk that up to game balance.

[PrinceOfRohan]

For me, im not sure if its a bug, but every time i refuse to kiss the goblins feet, and he attacks, every single goblin in the camp atks me, like 18 of them. im a bit stuck now, cant beat them all.

[Zogtar]

Originally posted by PrinceOfRohan:

For me, im not sure if its a bug, but every time i refuse to kiss the goblins feet, and he attacks, every single goblin in the camp atks me, like 18 of them. im a bit stuck now, cant beat them all.

Gonna have to reload an earlier save. Happens.