I came up with several cleric builds, what do you guys think ?

[Skadi]

The aim for every build would be to create a death domain drow cleric, meaning there would be martial weapon proficiency and lots of (necrotic) damage available. As for now i am forced to stick with a trickery cleric though.

1)A strength based build

Background=Solider, Bonus to strengh and intimidation
Proficiency =Insight, medicine, perception

Stats
Str: 15(+1) 1 Ability score improvement
Dex:14 For 2 extra AC with medium armor
Con:12
Int: 8 Could be pushed up to 18 with headband of int.
Wis:15(+1)
Cha:10

2)Nerd commandos stealty trickster build, from a video I found

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Nzv5OIKLc

Background= Criminal, Bonus to stealth and deception
Proficiency =Perception, Persuasion, insight

Stats
Str: 8
Dex:17(+1)
Con:12
Int: 8
Wis:15(+1)
Cha:14

3)Dex build 1

Stats:
Str: 9
Dex:16
Con:15(+1)
Int: 8
Wis:15(+1)
Cha:10

4) Dex Build 2

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1817743627478227394/B0D922C03DDF0F4CFF4D7B96B6F8F9685C4C5EB2/?imw=5000&imh=5000&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=false

[Skadi]

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Not to burst your bubble, but rather to manage your expectations; Death domain is not part of the PHB and therefore may not be included in the release of the game. There is already a mod that adds the death domain to EA, so mod support may be a solution for you if you are okay with using mods.

I think build 3 is the best. If you want to be in melee, you really will want the higher con score to protect your concentration.

Did you consider using a half elf drow? They look identical to a drow, have everything a drow has, can worship the same Gods, but has a much better stat spread for a cleric. Although it is minor, Death domain has a lot of offensive spells in its spell list, which would benefit from a starting wisdom of 16 so you could reach 20 by the end of the game.

thanks for all the input guys, though it was mostly off topic at some point :P
Well i would rather stick with a pure blood drow for my first playthrough, that being said half-elves would probably work better.

I know that death domain, might not be included, but i really hope it will....it is awesome.
if it wont though, there would be other subclasses to choose from i suppose :P

[Indure]

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Not to burst your bubble, but rather to manage your expectations; Death domain is not part of the PHB and therefore may not be included in the release of the game. There is already a mod that adds the death domain to EA, so mod support may be a solution for you if you are okay with using mods.

I think build 3 is the best. If you want to be in melee, you really will want the higher con score to protect your concentration.

Did you consider using a half elf drow? They look identical to a drow, have everything a drow has, can worship the same Gods, but has a much better stat spread for a cleric. Although it is minor, Death domain has a lot of offensive spells in its spell list, which would benefit from a starting wisdom of 16 so you could reach 20 by the end of the game.

thanks for all the input guys, though it was mostly off topic at some point :P
Well i would rather stick with a pure blood drow for my first playthrough, that being said half-elves would probably work better.

I know that death domain, might not be included, but i really hope it will....it is awesome.
if it wont though, there would be other subclasses to choose from i suppose :P

You could try this mod in the interm to experiment with.

https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/55

[Farsha]

Sorry for derailing.

As for builds your main attack stat should be as high as possible, since cleric just uses bless on everyone and then attacks with weapons/cantrips/spells.
So choose the attacks roll stat and boost that to max.
Wisdom does not effect defensive buffs or spell slot numbers in dnd5e, I think, so having it super high if you are not using attack spells is not needed. It effects heals however but not by that much.

Stealthy cleric go max Dex
Soldier go max STR
Caster go max wisdom - you want that DC as high as possible

And some decent CON cause in Dnd5e you will get hit specially on lower lvls.

With STR build I'd go for Heavy armor feat so I can dump dex to 10.
othewise medium should be ok.

Again it's really simple to build characters in this system.

[Indure]

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pandariuskairos lähetti viestin:

Yes, I already proved this was wrong. There are plenty meaningful choices to make in BG3.

No you haven't, not even close. And there are not that many choises in Character building in dnd5e.

Look, BG3 will hopefully be good game, but no one will be speding 100hrs in it for character buids. What they shown is really shallow for an rpg game.
Dnd5e is too simplistic and their implementation atm is not great.
Hopefully other parts of the game will be more engaging like story reflecting and changing by your choises.
I get why they chose 5e, it's a game for masses and it has to be accessible and easy to learn system.
It is, but it's also a bit shallow.
I would not call this cRPG.
For me BG3 is closer to new Bioware stuff like Mass Effect or Dragon Age Inquisition games, than to games like BG2, POE or Pathfinder games.

It's like DOS2 is considered masterpiece cause 99% of reviewers and 90% of players never got past act1. If you go and finish it, you realise it's not that great (armor system, loot lvl progression, initiative system, act3 story and ending)

This is actually an interesting point. It is odd that this is labeled as a cRPG. The rule system is modern and I do agree with you that this game is definitely Bioware esque.

[Indure]

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Sorry for derailing.

As for builds your main attack stat should be as high as possible, since cleric just uses bless on everyone and then attacks with weapons/cantrips/spells.
So choose the attacks roll stat and boost that to max.
Wisdom does not effect defensive buffs or spell slot numbers in dnd5e, I think, so having it super high if you are not using attack spells is not needed. It effects heals however but not by that much.

Stealthy cleric go max Dex
Soldier go max STR
Caster go max wisdom - you want that DC as high as possible

And some decent CON cause in Dnd5e you will get hit specially on lower lvls.

With STR build I'd go for Heavy armor feat so I can dump dex to 10.
othewise medium should be ok.

Again it's really simple to build characters in this system.

I would make the argument that Death domain, like Light has a lot of offensive spells and therefore wisdom becomes a higher concern. You won't notice this at level 4, but at level 5 with improved cantrips, and spells like Spirit Guardians you will want the bonus wisdom.

Even at level 1, Reaper lets you twin Chill Touch (or hopefully Toll of the Dead) for more damage than you will get out of a weapon attack, although it is situational. At level 5 your cantrips will usurp you weapons altogether.

EDIT: I could see it going both ways though due to their channel divinity and divine strike.

[Farsha]

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This is actually an interesting point. It is odd that this is labeled as a cRPG. The rule system is modern and I do agree with you that this game is definitely Bioware esque.

Thanks,
While I'm not a big fan of Dnd5e and I prefer actual cRPGs.
From what I got from Swen's interviews, focus is on making you story choices matter and really impact story progression and direction.
I think this is Larian's strongest department and I do hope they will pull it off, making the adventure really interactive, re-playable and memorable.
But I'm not gonna praise them for shortcomings of other systems that they might neglect a bit due to their design decisions and direction.
Honestly Solasta has better Dnd5e combat implementation and that is game made by 20 people.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

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pandariuskairos lähetti viestin:

Yes, I already proved this was wrong. There are plenty meaningful choices to make in BG3.

No you haven't, not even close. And there are not that many choises in Character building in dnd5e.

Look, BG3 will hopefully be good game, but no one will be speding 100hrs in it for character buids. What they shown is really shallow for an rpg game.
Dnd5e is too simplistic and their implementation atm is not great.
Hopefully other parts of the game will be more engaging like story reflecting and changing by your choises.
I get why they chose 5e, it's a game for masses and it has to be accessible and easy to learn system.
It is, but it's also a bit shallow.
I would not call this cRPG.
For me BG3 is closer to new Bioware stuff like Mass Effect or Dragon Age Inquisition games, than to games like BG2, POE or Pathfinder games.

It's like DOS2 is considered masterpiece cause 99% of reviewers and 90% of players never got past act1. If you go and finish it, you realise it's not that great (armor system, loot lvl progression, initiative system, act3 story and ending)

What I keep pointing out to you is that you are conflating "has fewer feats" with "is simplistic".


Do you know what conflating means?

conflate
to fuse into one entity; merge[/endquote]


Having a larger list of feats does not make a game more complex, it just makes it more complicated.

The choices in BG3/5e are meaningful rather than just filler.

[Farsha]

pandariuskairos lähetti viestin:

The choices in BG3/5e are meaningful rather than just filler.

Let's agree to disagree, mate.

And thanks for the dictionary lesson :D

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

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This is actually an interesting point. It is odd that this is labeled as a cRPG. The rule system is modern and I do agree with you that this game is definitely Bioware esque.

Thanks,
While I'm not a big fan of Dnd5e and I prefer actual cRPGs.

BG3 is an actual crpg. Just out of curiosity, what do you think crpg stands for?

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This is actually an interesting point. It is odd that this is labeled as a cRPG. The rule system is modern and I do agree with you that this game is definitely Bioware esque.

Honestly Solasta has better Dnd5e combat implementation and that is game made by 20 people.

That much I agree with, but mostly because Solasta doesn't butcher the action economy or slather the entire map in lulz barrels.

Far too much DoS influence in BG3 - what is there of 5e though is great. 5e is the best edition D&D has ever made (and I've been playing since the Basic D&D red box edition).

[Farsha]

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BG3 is an actual crpg. Just out of curiosity, what do you think crpg stands for?

I think that BG3 is very modern type of RPG (game), using modern design approach, with more accessible and simpler rule system than classicalRPGs.
With huge focus on interactively changing storyline.
And where lot of the budget was needlesly spent on cinematics, mo-cap and voice acting.
It is trying to sell to masses not just RPG fans.

Like I named, I see it closer to Mass Effect, Kotor or Dragon Age inquisition than BG2, POE or Pathfinder games

Nothing bad in this approach, if they want to make a big game, it needs to have a huge audience to be profitable.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

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pandariuskairos lähetti viestin:

BG3 is an actual crpg. Just out of curiosity, what do you think crpg stands for?

I think that BG3 is very modern type of RPG (game), using modern design approach, with more accessible and simpler rule system than classicalRPGs.

CRPG stands for Computer Role-Playing Game.

[Indure]

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I think that BG3 is very modern type of RPG (game), using modern design approach, with more accessible and simpler rule system than classicalRPGs.

CRPG stands for Computer Role-Playing Game.

Although you're technically not wrong, the modern usage of the term is usually defined as classic rpg, which is a subset of rpgs categorizes by mechanics and styling reminiscent of early rpg franchises like BG.

Using "computer" for crpg is no longer in style since there is really never any confusion between computer games and other gaming media. For example no one would say computer first person shooter. The use of c for computer is too redundant at this point.

[Skadi]

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pandariuskairos lähetti viestin:

CRPG stands for Computer Role-Playing Game.

Although you're technically not wrong, the modern usage of the term is usually defined as classic rpg, which is a subset of rpgs categorizes by mechanics and styling reminiscent of early rpg franchises like BG.

Using "computer" for crpg is no longer in style since there is really never any confusion between computer games and other gaming media. For example no one would say computer first person shooter. The use of c for computer is too redundant at this point.

well there is computer gamers and then there are console peasants, so technically you are not wrong about the confusion

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

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pandariuskairos lähetti viestin:

CRPG stands for Computer Role-Playing Game.

Although you're technically not wrong,

The best kind of not-wrong.

You may find this video interesting (I timestamped the relevant section):

https://youtu.be/4P4xJ34dmqQ?t=143

[Skadi]

pandariuskairos lähetti viestin:

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Although you're technically not wrong,

The best kind of not-wrong.

you goat it :)