Is killing goblin children.......

[cire87]

Is killing goblin children considered lawful good or chaotic evil ?

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Boink:

This thread is pure MAGA2020 nonsense.

The marked "correct answer" is... not even close to 5E RAW.

Here's RAW:

Goblin General Info
Vision Darkvision
Average Lifespan 62–80 years

https://dndguide.com/races/Goblin/


Literally... they don't hit puberty before age 10.

Not in the Guildemaster's Guide to Ravnica material that came out for D&D 5th Edition.

This is what it says about goblins age.

Goblins reach adulthood around age 8. They age noticeably faster than humans, and though few goblins live to old age, the most cautious rarely live longer than 60 years.

Not sure why you're bringing in American politics to a dungeons and dragons discussion though by comparing it to a presidential slogan for the year.

[Destroying Angel]

Is this more accurate than wwe raw?

[Destroying Angel]

The correct answer is, goblins make good hats and lampshades.

[NixAhmose]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Chaotic Good characters are vigilantes, who believe the system is ineffectual, and thus take matters into their own hands. Characters like The Punisher come to mind, when I think of this alignment.

The Punisher is not a chaotic good character. He is chaotic neutral at best. While he does have some semblance of a moral code, he will kill those who have committed without hesitation regardless of the circumstances and most interpretations of his character heavily imply he does so not to really protect others but just for his self-satisfaction. Not to mention, there was also that those two times when he became a demon and when he became an assassin for a nazi regime.
A better example of a chaotic good character is robin hood. He's a guy who does petty crime to steal from the rich and give it to the poor, but that's usually about it. While he's not neccessarily against killing people, rarely will he go out of his way with the goal of hurting or killing people if he doesn't have to.

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Neutral Good characters try to do the right thing, but they don't feel especially compelled to seek out opportunities to do so. If they just happen to come across somebody in trouble, they might offer their support. But they're not the kind of person who runs out asking people if they need a nest of gobbos cleared out.

While you can argue that a character like that can still fit in the neutral good category, that is not what neutral good means. The definition found in the phb states: "folk do the best they can to help others according to their needs." So generally speaking neutral good characters will go out of their way to help others if they see they need help.

I think a good way to think about alignment is to keep in mind that they're on two separate axis, order and morality.
Order alignments(lawful, neutral, chaotic) are how characters go about enacting their morality with lawful characters always trying to follow the law, chaotic characters going out of their way to ignore or spite the law, and neutral characters being indifferent to the law.
Moral alignments(good, neutral, evil) are the motivations behind their actions with good characters trying to do what's best for everyone, evil characters trying to do what's best for themselves at the cost of others, and neutral characters being indifferent to morality.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Boink:

Literally... they don't hit puberty before age 10.

Unless their life span has been changed several times over the course of 5th edition... I keep finding write ups saying the reach adulthood by the age of 6 to 8 years old.

As for the community wiki: http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/goblin

Alignment: Goblins are typically Neutral Evil, as they care only for their own needs. A few might tend towards good or neutrality, but only rarely.

I just cited a source book that recently came out that has goblins as adults at age 8.

[Boink]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Not in the Guildemaster's Guide to Ravnica material that came out for D&D 5th Edition.

This is what it says about goblins age.

Goblins reach adulthood around age 8. They age noticeably faster than humans, and though few goblins live to old age, the most cautious rarely live longer than 60 years.

Not sure why you're bringing in American politics to a dungeons and dragons discussion though by comparing it to a presidential slogan for the year.

Guildemaster's Guide to Ravnica < Not RAW material.

Literally gave you a link to RAW material.


Sure, knock yourself out: in BOGOOADANNIA non-core material, goblins are 10000' tall and enter sexual maturity by slapping their members against rocks.


RAW > side content.


It'd be great if you just admitted this now.


Oh, ffs. This is the SAME person who didn't know about licenses and claimed Larian could use Ravnica material in BG3.


He's literally wrong. About this, about the license, and about a great deal of other things.

[Dragon Master]

Originally posted by Boink:

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Not in the Guildemaster's Guide to Ravnica material that came out for D&D 5th Edition.

This is what it says about goblins age.

Goblins reach adulthood around age 8. They age noticeably faster than humans, and though few goblins live to old age, the most cautious rarely live longer than 60 years.

Not sure why you're bringing in American politics to a dungeons and dragons discussion though by comparing it to a presidential slogan for the year.

Guildemaster's Guide to Ravnica < Not RAW material.

Literally gave you a link to RAW material.


Sure, knock yourself out: in BOGOOADANNIA non-core material, goblins are 10000' tall and enter sexual maturity by slapping their members against rocks.


RAW > side content.


It'd be great if you just admitted this now.

Except it's now part of RAW material as official rules.

Now, as with any table, the DM can change things as they well-please so it ultimately doesn't matter which source book the DM uses , but the one they choose to use, or change, is what is the objective reality of that particular game.

[Destroying Angel]

I still have questions about long term evil... Like X girlfriend evil. You can't judge good and evil by individual actions, because the most evil people I have ever met typically pretend they are good and possibly even do good things for a long period of time, in order to pull ultimate doom.

[Destroying Angel]

I'm just gonna stick with the safe bet, and kill all gawblinz on sight, and make everyone I know burn an x in their head.

[Boink]

Originally posted by Dragon Master:

Except it's now part of RAW material as official rules.

Now, as with any table, the DM can change things as they well-please so it ultimately doesn't matter which source book the DM uses , but the one they choose to use, or change, is what is the objective reality of that particular game.

It's not.

If you really want to get humiliated, I'm happy to show you the differences between RAW and the license "D&D Beyond".

Which is a different license to the Sword Coast material.

Which means, again you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. (You did this before: and instead of learning, you're double-downed on ignorance, which is frankly irritating).

You're wrong. You'll make silly points. I'll post licenses. You won't understand it. I'll be correct (and legally correct). You'll make dumb claims about your obsession.

In the morning, you'll go back to $10 / hr job, I won't.

[NixAhmose]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

No, and that is exactly the point! The man died defending himself from goblin attacks. But in the children's minds, the man killed their parents, so he needs to die, and have his corpse publicly desecrated!

The children didn't care about the fact the man was fighting for his life. Only that his actions negatively impacted him, and he needed to be punished for it.

Like I said before, its not really a matter of not caring but a matter of either not knowing or understanding the context of what the man was actually trying to do. Their treatment of him is less out of malicous intent and more being too young and uninformed to understand his side of things.

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

ACTUALLY: now that I think about it... do goblins even have a concept of parents? All the kids in the goblin camp are named after numbers (One, Two, Three, Four, est). This implies they're being raised communally, and not by individual households.

For all we know, the man just killed a bunch of random goblins, and the kids decided to murder him in response!

Actually yes, goblins do in deed have parents and family does play an important role in goblin society as they live by a 4 tier caste system. I think the reason the kids are named 1 2 3 4 may have something to do with them not being given names in-universe or Larian not giving them names out-universe.

[GrimAtrament]

Originally posted by TG zac:

Originally posted by Hazarddex:

Chaotic evil. Don't forget you can play as good goblins in dnd.

The goblins were torturing a bear and bragging how they killed the guy. (kind of behavior child Psychopaths enjoy before becoming serial killers)

Just because you can play as one doesn't mean they are all good.

he asked if it was okay to kill goblin children not which goblin children
how is that any diffrent then humans?

should we kill ourselves because a few humans are POS?

Originally posted by fangthefeared:

Goblins are a Chaotic Evil RACE.

not according to the new DnD book for 5e that's coming out Tasha's Cauldron of Everything. or did you miss WoTC realeasing the statment that they were removing good and evil algiments for races? and as they are the creators there word is the final word.

[Destroying Angel]

Are you old enough to know the difference between psychopath and sociopath?

[Boink]

Originally posted by Hazarddex:

Originally posted by TG zac:

The goblins were torturing a bear and bragging how they killed the guy. (kind of behavior child Psychopaths enjoy before becoming serial killers)

Just because you can play as one doesn't mean they are all good.

how is that any diffrent then humans?

should we kill ourselves because a few humans are POS?

It's an American thing.

Most people who live in civilised societies will not assassinate the children or relatives of "evil people".

There are notable exceptions to this. USA, MENA allies, you get the idea.

[Destroying Angel]

This might sound silly, but if you have ever lived on a farm.... Is castrating a bull and burning their horns off evil? Is tossing a bag of kittens in a ditch in a burlap sack full of rocks evil? If you have a vital function requiring it to be done, no. If you are judging from an ivory tower, yes.