Is Minthara 100% evil? (SPOILERS)

[Tom]

SPOILERS BELOW

From one side, she is willing to literally massacre the druid grove, on other hand:
- if you romance her, she isn't really willing to hurt the PC, it's more like she is forced by the Absolute to do so, indicated by the very easy persuasion check of 5
- her facial expressions during the dialogue mentioned above indicate a strong bond with PC and feeling regret at what she thinks, that has to be done
- if you succeed in persuading her (which is almost 100% sure), she decides to spare the PC, risking her position since everyone is told that PC was going to die; she also decides do help the player by giving them useful information
- her dedication to Absolute isn't that strong, as indicated by one of dialog options in the camp, after spending the night with her
- deciding to read her mind, after spending the night with her reveals that she is actually very afraid of dying due to being betrayed and that she seemed to be really hurt by her past losses of family members and loved ones (quite unusual for a drow, right?)
- since she is a drow, her upbringing and life in the Underdark make her do decisions that she might not be aware, that are actually evil

I think that she might have a redemption arc added later in the game, since she seems to be very conflicted if the player puts an effort to actually join her side.

[NEON]

The feeling off loss is not necessary unusual when it comes to the Drow, Anything which can be seen as a weakness by an opponent will be taken advantage off - whatever it is a mother crying for a lost child or any loss of family member. Allies swift and changes on a daily basis, words means nothing and promises are just that, empty words.

Imagine for example that someone you love has died and you couldn't show any form of emotional distress or any sign of sadness because that would be you death.

The common people didn't kill each others for such things but the commoners are bound to a house or noble family which ruled a part of the city, the nobilty rule is absolute as they rule everything from food to the houses were the ordinary people sleep.

[Tom]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Yes, she's a Drow.

Even though she seems to have abandoned Lolth, she still believes in the traditional values of sexism (outright declaring that you are not her equal, if you're a male Drow), and racial purity (chastising your mixed heritage, if you're a Half Drow).

Plus, you know... she outright betrays you in the hopes of claiming all the glory for the grove's destruction for herself. The dialogue option used to get her to back down is an INTIMIDATION check, rather than a seduction or diplomacy.

You are right, although that happens only if you manage to anger her considerably (by refusing her advances or by reading her mind). She reacts completely differently if you actually try to get along with her well.
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[Bastila Shan]

Of course she’s evil, she just slaughtered all the tieflings and their children too.

[Tom]

Originally posted by Hoboslayer:

Of course she’s evil, she just slaughtered all the tieflings and their children too.

Just to clarify, I meant if she is purerly evil without even a single good behaviour; which doesn't seem to be the case given the actions above. She indeed like you say, is evil, but not in 100% at least IMO since she does seem to display mercy, remorse, pity, regret and missing someone; even though she doesn't do this often (and especially not towards everyone, she does this towards player/lost family members and lovers only) and tries to hide this from others, so that they won't see it as a weakness.
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[Bastila Shan]

Originally posted by R-S-F Rafael021a:

Originally posted by Hoboslayer:

Of course she’s evil, she just slaughtered all the tieflings and their children too.

Just to clarify, I meant if she is purerly evil without even a single good behaviour; which doesn't seem to be the case given the actions above. She indeed like you say, is evil, but not in 100% at least IMO since she does seem to display mercy, remorse, pity, regret and missing someone; even though she doesn't do this often (and especially not towards everyone, she does this towards player/lost family members and lovers only) and tries to hide this from others, so that they won't see it as a weakness.
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Yes although I suppose an all evil character would be hostile to everyone and not even have allies like the goblins such as undead.

[Mr Fred]

Minthara is clearly evil and will probably end up recruitable in act 2 if you play it right.

If any cleric get a "redemption" option it would probably be Shadowheart that is more than likely brainwashed by a Shar ritual and could very well have been a Selune cleric prior to it.

[Corridian]

Minthara us a fine upstanding member of her society, except having forsaken the state religion in favor of a bit more personal one. She has the best romance scene in the game. She will undoubtedly become the naughty cleric of choice for your companions. As I play either Drow or Gith or Half Drow this is no worry at all for me. Tiefling would be ok as well. Then again, Darth Vader is my idol, and I am a Sith Lord at heart so take all my words with that in mind.

[AzCrazyDiamond]

When I did the Minthara romance I did not have the events described by OP. We got along swimmingly. Curious. I would like to see dialogue/action paths to recruit NPCs like Minthara or Kagha fer instance after convincing Kagha to refute the Shadow Druids, same thing for Minthara and Absolute .

[Tom]

Originally posted by ;2999926461232236691:

When I did the Minthara romance I did not have the events described by OP. We got along swimmingly. Curious. I would like to see dialogue/action paths to recruit NPCs like Minthara or Kagha fer instance after convincing Kagha to refute the Shadow Druids, same thing for Minthara and Absolute .

If you are interested, I can tell you how you can get the exact dialogues with her.

[Tom]

Originally posted by AzCrazyDiamond:

When I did the Minthara romance I did not have the events described by OP. We got along swimmingly. Curious. I would like to see dialogue/action paths to recruit NPCs like Minthara or Kagha fer instance after convincing Kagha to refute the Shadow Druids, same thing for Minthara and Absolute .

I would like possiblity of for example sparing Minthara if you join good guys, seeing possible redemption arc later, same goes for sparing Kagha/Halsin/Tieflings (After all, it's mostly Druids vs Absolute conflict and a few of those druids aren't the most friendly people on the planet) when being on the evil side. Right now you can knock out Minthara but it's not properly handled by the game, it's described that she died in the journal or npc's around you just kill her when she is knocked out.
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[AzCrazyDiamond]

Originally posted by R-S-F Rafael021a:

I would like possiblity of for example sparing Minthara if you join good guys, seeing possible redemption arc later, same goes for sparing Kagha/Halsin/Tieflings (After all, it's mostly Druids vs Absolute conflict and a few of those druids aren't the most friendly people on the planet) when being on the evil side. Right now you can knock out Minthara but it's not properly handled by the game, it's described that she died in the journal or npc's around you just kill her when she is knocked out.
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Totally. I hadn't thought of that tactic with Minthara - I'll give it a try. If the journal marks her dead the Tieflings can move on, closing that quest (in theory). Maybe that's a hook to recruiting her, a story path that hasn't been fully implemented yet. Cool. Thanks.

[Tom]

Originally posted by AzCrazyDiamond:

Originally posted by R-S-F Rafael021a:

I would like possiblity of for example sparing Minthara if you join good guys, seeing possible redemption arc later, same goes for sparing Kagha/Halsin/Tieflings (After all, it's mostly Druids vs Absolute conflict and a few of those druids aren't the most friendly people on the planet) when being on the evil side. Right now you can knock out Minthara but it's not properly handled by the game, it's described that she died in the journal or npc's around you just kill her when she is knocked out.
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Totally. I hadn't thought of that tactic with Minthara - I'll give it a try. If the journal marks her dead the Tieflings can move on, closing that quest (in theory). Maybe that's a hook to recruiting her, a story path that hasn't been fully implemented yet. Cool. Thanks.

Another issue happens when you knock out Minthara during the fight at camp, after wishing to fight or failing intimidation check (you can't fail the persuasion, I checked it on 2 saves, the roll is by default 1 and it was raised to 5 after I got +4 buff to all rolls, so it's 100% guaranteed success, which makes sense as if you treat her nicely she grows attached to you)
After you knock unconscious, leave the camp, end the day and return again, she is willing to fight with 1 hp (wtf?). In that case IMO there should be a cutscene as soon as fight is over, with her either asking for mercy if she is at low health (and not knocked out) or when she is knocked out; with you having a choice to hold her as your prisoner or helping her to recover and convincing the cleric to join your party, or if you wish finishing her off.

[private1028]

That's not the game after the current hot patch fix. She attacked me in camp right away. Never got to romance her.