Concerning Kagha. *Spoilers*

[Chapel]

So, is there any way I can get her to rule the druids and do everything she needs to do? I quite like her. If I kill the goblins and bring back Halsin then she gets demotes and there's a little assassination attempt from the parents in the victory camp afterward where I can save her, but that's not what I want.

When you talk to her initially you can side with her, then talk to Zevlor and tell him Kagha wants all the tieflings gone. It seems like there are only two branches from this point, go and kill the goblins or kill Zevlor. If you kill Zevlor then Kagha's only response is bascially 'well good, then it should be easy for you to get the tieflings to leave now' which doesn't really lead to anything and dead ends. I've even tried murdering every tiefling man woman and child and it doesn't lead to anything.

[Pompeous]

In theory * (speculation on my part) you could kill all the goblins... AND Halsin... if for no other reason than to see what happens I guess lol.
(I'm sure they have a plan for Halsin dying since he'll fight the goblins with you if you let him)

[Dee Haytch]

I don't know how her story goes since I don't like her at all, but If my understanding is correct isn't the end goal for her to throw everyone that isn't a druid out of the sanctuary? If so then that includes you, the player.

From what I can see, she's just using you and once you've done whatever it is you did (Kill or hasten the exodus of the tieflings and/or kill Halsin) that's victory; she technically rules since she's 2nd in command to Halsin; who is gone. You've done it, she rules without opposition.

[Malus]

Originally posted by Winter Road:

So, is there any way I can get her to rule the druids and do everything she needs to do? I quite like her. If I kill the goblins and bring back Halsin then she gets demotes and there's a little assassination attempt from the parents in the victory camp afterward where I can save her, but that's not what I want.

When you talk to her initially you can side with her, then talk to Zevlor and tell him Kagha wants all the tieflings gone. It seems like there are only two branches from this point, go and kill the goblins or kill Zevlor. If you kill Zevlor then Kagha's only response is bascially 'well good, then it should be easy for you to get the tieflings to leave now' which doesn't really lead to anything and dead ends. I've even tried murdering every tiefling man woman and child and it doesn't lead to anything.

There is an option to let the shadow druids run things. Do her quest and go to the swamp. come back with proof she is a shadow druid then choose to let her rule.

[Chapel]

Yo that's pretty sick. I didn't know that stuff about her connection to the shadow druids and I like the cloakwood reference. Still though this does seem like it boils down to essentially the same thing as saving Halsin, with Kagha turning good and finding redemption.

I think I'm going to try out killing Halsin and see what happens. I can let yall know if you're interested.

[Chapel]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Pompeous:

In theory * (speculation on my part) you could kill all the goblins... AND Halsin... if for no other reason than to see what happens I guess lol.
(I'm sure they have a plan for Halsin dying since he'll fight the goblins with you if you let him)

I'm not sure evil Kagha is implemented into the game yet. I went to the goblin camp and killed Halsin, along with the goblin leaders, and even Zevlor too. I wanted Kagha to perform the rite and lock the Grove off from the outside world, or slaughter all the tieflings.

But much to my surprise after the celebration party, Kagha pulls a complete 180 on her personality, renouncing the ways of the Shadow Druid and willingly submitting herself to the circle's judgement. Even more confusing, she thanks ME for showing her the error of her ways!

I have no idea what I did to make her turn back to the light, she just did it on her own!

Awww well crap, there goes my plan

[Chapel]

Originally posted by pandariuskairos:

I would love to side with the Druids of Cloakwood, particularly when I roll my own druid character. I wonder if they're going for the whole "blight druid" archetype with them?

I need to get my Maleficent vibe going on.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Cloak_Wood

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Shadow_Druids

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Kagha

I'm totally with ya on this. Fighter-Druid dual class in Baldur's Gate was my fav class to play, and I love all the Shadow druid/cloakwood lore.

[Haven]

Originally posted by pandariuskairos:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

You want to be a Druid AND a Necromancer... I know exactly what I'm talking about.

Like I said, it's unfortunate you literally have no idea what you're talking about.

It's unfortunate that you don't know that you don't know what you're talking about ;) Canonically, druids detest undeath as it is an affront to the natural order of things. That is what GrandMajora is alluding to.

[wildnike]

An unresolved plot, I think. It'll likely be another "evil" option beyond siding with the goblins or tearing the tieflings and druids apart in their own civil war.

There are some hints you can team up with her, but right now there isn't anything in-game.

[Haven]

Originally posted by pandariuskairos:

Originally posted by Haven923:

It's unfortunate that you don't know that you don't know what you're talking about ;) Canonically, druids detest undeath as it is an affront to the natural order of things. That is what GrandMajora is alluding to.

So you have no idea what you're talking about either?

I do. D&D is a game about the exceptional and the exceptions. It could do to have a few less jerks, though.

[Haven]

Originally posted by wildnike:

An unresolved plot, I think. It'll likely be another "evil" option beyond siding with the goblins or tearing the tieflings and druids apart in their own civil war.

There are some hints you can team up with her, but right now there isn't anything in-game.

There will likely be more at Baldur's Gate if the letter is to be believed.

[Chapel]

Not to take sides but a druid/necro does kinda make sense thematically as life/death/rebirth are all a cycle. You can look at the myconoids and their fungal zombies or if you've ever played magic the gathering pretty much any black+green card. I uhhh dont wanna be in this debate tho I just wanted to talk about Kagha.

[WRuddick]

Everyone saying you can't side with here and it's not in the game simply hasn't done it. You can get the letter from the tree that says she's a shadow druid and call her out on it and then *Poof* they appear (they are the three rats running around down there) and you can choose to side with her, fight her, or save her and kill the shadow druids

[Haven]

Originally posted by pandariuskairos:

Originally posted by Haven923:

I do. D&D is a game about the exceptional and the exceptions. It could do to have a few less jerks, though.

No, you literally don't.

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[Haven]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Winter Road:

Not to take sides but a druid/necro does kinda make sense thematically as life/death/rebirth are all a cycle. You can look at the myconoids and their fungal zombies or if you've ever played magic the gathering pretty much any black+green card. I uhhh dont wanna be in this debate tho I just wanted to talk about Kagha.

You don't need necromancy to uphold the cycle of rebirth...

Reincarnate - 5th level Druid spell, Transmutation school. It's basically their version of Raise Dead.

undeath is not life, death, or rebirth. That is why druids canonically despise it. It's unnatural.

[Haven]

Originally posted by pandariuskairos:

Originally posted by Winter Road:

Not to take sides but a druid/necro does kinda make sense thematically as life/death/rebirth are all a cycle. You can look at the myconoids and their fungal zombies or if you've ever played magic the gathering pretty much any black+green card. I uhhh dont wanna be in this debate tho I just wanted to talk about Kagha.

The Unearthed Arcana has Circle of Spores druids that can animate zombies with spores. If you're using the MTG crossover material, it's the same thing, but you're a Golgari guild mage.

But I was actually thinking about multiclassing a Circle of Dreams druid with a Grave Domain cleric - worshiping a death god and a nature/fey god at the same time.

And you're spot on - life/death are both part of the natural cycle, so spells from the necromancy school make a lot of sense for the druid, particularly chill touch, blight, contagion, true resurrection (all of which are already on the druid spell list). Cloudkill, Power Word: Kill are also good spells for them at higher levels. The levels in cleric give access to spells like animate dead and raise dead, as well as cementing the ties with death through the death god worship.

It all ties into a necrodruid build and makes perfect sense.

Too bad those others are too blind to see the obvious or think outside their little bubbles they have trapped themselves in, but such is life.

Except grave domain druids are super against undeath. They're protect the sanctity of the transition from life to death and also see undeath as a total affront to the natural way of things..

Did you by chance mean death domain clerics?