Double Proficiency?

[Syntax]

Is there double proficiency? like If I make myself proficient in deception as a Warlock then pick "Beguiling Influence" as my Eldritch Invocation, do I get double proficiency? (+4 instead of +2). It's how 5e works with things such as Expertise, but it's usually DMs discretion. Would like to know so I don't waste 1 of my 3 level ups lol

[Planeforger]

I haven't tried it in BG3, but in general only Rogues and Bards can get expertise in skills.

[Syntax]

Originally posted by Planeforger:

I haven't tried it in BG3, but in general only Rogues and Bards can get expertise in skills.

Yes, which is why I gave an example with the Warlock class.

[Stabbey]

I don't know what happens if you try, but I'm pretty sure it won't work. Especially because the Rogues don't have Expertise right now either.

[RealDealBreaker]

Originally posted by Syntax:

Is there double proficiency? like If I make myself proficient in deception as a Warlock then pick "Beguiling Influence" as my Eldritch Invocation, do I get double proficiency? (+4 instead of +2). It's how 5e works with things such as Expertise, but it's usually DMs discretion. Would like to know so I don't waste 1 of my 3 level ups lol

No, and it's not ohw expertise works in 5e. In 5e the PHB is clear that if you recieve proficieny fro two sources at character creation you pick a different proficiency of your choise. At later levels you do not get an additional proficiency unless otherwise stated. Expertise ('double proficiency') is ONLY granted through specific features.

[Syntax]

Originally posted by RealDealBreaker:

Originally posted by Syntax:

Is there double proficiency? like If I make myself proficient in deception as a Warlock then pick "Beguiling Influence" as my Eldritch Invocation, do I get double proficiency? (+4 instead of +2). It's how 5e works with things such as Expertise, but it's usually DMs discretion. Would like to know so I don't waste 1 of my 3 level ups lol

No, and it's not ohw expertise works in 5e. In 5e the PHB is clear that if you recieve proficieny fro two sources at character creation you pick a different proficiency of your choise. At later levels you do not get an additional proficiency unless otherwise stated. Expertise ('double proficiency') is ONLY granted through specific features.

PHB pg 96. Expertise "At 1st level, choose two of your skill proficiencies or one of your skill proficiencies and your proficiency with thieves' tools. Your proficiency bonus is doubled for any ability checks that uses either of the chosen proficiencies." So it's literally how Expertise works in 5e. Also, as I stated, if a class/race gives you features that provide proficiencies most DMs will allow you to get double proficiency since there is no choice to opt out, and it would be completely useless. My example was Warlock, and it's Eldritch Invocation "Beguiling Influence."

Please don't dismiss my question with a "ThAtS nOt HoW iT wOrKs."

[Planeforger]

Originally posted by Syntax:

Also, as I stated, if a class/race gives you features that provide proficiencies most DMs will allow you to get double proficiency since there is no choice to opt out, and it would be completely useless. My example was Warlock, and it's Eldritch Invocation "Beguiling Influence."

Please don't dismiss my question with a "ThAtS nOt HoW iT wOrKs."

I've actually never heard any DM offer that before.

Besides, there *are* rules in the PHB about what happens if you gain the same proficiency twice:

PHB p.125 - "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."

So there is a choice to opt out, and picking it would not be completely useless.

Giving non-rogues/bards Expertise in the skill sounds OP, when the 5e rules say you can just get a different proficiency instead. You'd end up with level 1 characters getting +7 on stealth rolls.

[Auburn2]

Originally posted by Planeforger:

I've actually never heard any DM offer that before.

Agree 100%. Never would allow it as a DM, never have been allowed to do that as a player

I miss not having expertise in BG3, but on the other hand rogues are pretty OP in BG3.

[Syntax]

Originally posted by Planeforger:

Originally posted by Syntax:

Also, as I stated, if a class/race gives you features that provide proficiencies most DMs will allow you to get double proficiency since there is no choice to opt out, and it would be completely useless. My example was Warlock, and it's Eldritch Invocation "Beguiling Influence."

Please don't dismiss my question with a "ThAtS nOt HoW iT wOrKs."

I've actually never heard any DM offer that before.

Besides, there *are* rules in the PHB about what happens if you gain the same proficiency twice:

PHB p.125 - "If a character would gain the same proficiency from two different sources, he or she can choose a different proficiency of the same kind (skill or tool) instead."

So there is a choice to opt out, and picking it would not be completely useless.

Giving non-rogues/bards Expertise in the skill sounds OP, when the 5e rules say you can just get a different proficiency instead. You'd end up with level 1 characters getting +7 on stealth rolls.

Not giving anyone else the Expertise Feat, It's not like you get to just choose a random proficiency, just proficiencies that the feat, that you're stuck with, gives you. Not every class/race gets this, it's more of a "just in class."