Baldur's Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3

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Malus Oct 12, 2020 @ 4:09pm
What NPC party member is the worst at there class?
The rogue seems ok.
Cleric NPC seemsf Off.
Mage is a human who didnt take a light cantrip.
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Indure Oct 12, 2020 @ 4:49pm 
100% Shadowheart. Trickery is the worst domain currently IMO, especially with how bad duplicity is. And her 9 in dexterity is so painful. It weakens her AC, and makes her terrible with bows, which is problematic because Sacred Flame has a bad hit chance at low levels. If you want her to contribute some damage she has to be in melee, which makes it impractical for her to use concentration spells.
The Mustard Tiger Oct 12, 2020 @ 4:55pm 
Originally posted by Indure:
100% Shadowheart. Trickery is the worst domain currently IMO, especially with how bad duplicity is. And her 9 in dexterity is so painful. It weakens her AC, and makes her terrible with bows, which is problematic because Sacred Flame has a bad hit chance at low levels. If you want her to contribute some damage she has to be in melee, which makes it impractical for her to use concentration spells.

I couldn't agree more. Shadow heart is easily the weakest character. Especially considering how bad invoke duplicity is, in comparison to the 5e version.

In my opinion I think the Lae'zel or Wyll is the strongest companion.
Planeforger Oct 12, 2020 @ 4:56pm 
Originally posted by Indure:
100% Shadowheart. Trickery is the worst domain currently IMO, especially with how bad duplicity is. And her 9 in dexterity is so painful. It weakens her AC, and makes her terrible with bows, which is problematic because Sacred Flame has a bad hit chance at low levels. If you want her to contribute some damage she has to be in melee, which makes it impractical for her to use concentration spells.
To be fair, she isn't terrible at melee thanks to Mirror Image.

Invoke Duplicity also doesn't seem like the worst to me. It gives all of your allies advantage in a small area, which is good support for rogues or great weapon fighters.
noone Oct 12, 2020 @ 4:58pm 
Originally posted by Indure:
100% Shadowheart. Trickery is the worst domain currently IMO, especially with how bad duplicity is. And her 9 in dexterity is so painful. It weakens her AC, and makes her terrible with bows, which is problematic because Sacred Flame has a bad hit chance at low levels. If you want her to contribute some damage she has to be in melee, which makes it impractical for her to use concentration spells.

Agree! if it isn't for the story I wouldn't take her anywhere
Ratsplat Oct 12, 2020 @ 4:59pm 
I've found her useful, not because of her specifically, but because bane and bless are really good. Once I make a better cleric, they'll shine bright.
Stabbey Oct 12, 2020 @ 5:02pm 
Shadowheart is pretty bad with her 13 CON and 9 DEX and no Heavy Armor proficiency, and a 14 CHA which is questionable.

Astarion isn't the greatest either. His 9 INT isn't great for an Arcane Trickster or investigator type, and he also has 13 CON, not great for a melee character. That 12 STR is good for jumping, but that's it.
Alkirin Oct 12, 2020 @ 5:03pm 
Shadowheart is very sub-optimal, not only with her domain but also her stat distribution.

Wyll could also stand to be optimized a bit, but his primary stats are at least in the right place. He is mostly carried by the fact that warlock is just kinda OP here.

Lae'zel is pretty solidly built to make a good Eldritch Knight.

Astarion could stand to be better optimized, but he does good as a thief.

Gale is pretty uniquely bad. As a mage, not only is he also not optimized, but this game does not allow him to learn new spells from scrolls (like a PC mage can, and really all mages should be able to do). So basically a utility mage that cant utility.
Ratsplat Oct 12, 2020 @ 5:09pm 
But... Hale can learn from scrolls?
Cassilda Oct 12, 2020 @ 5:46pm 
To some extent all the companions have unoptimized stats distribution.

Shadowheart low dexterity really hurt in general and make her a very poor Trickery cleric.

Astarion is really dumb for a high elf, he has a strenght bonus that does nothing for him and low charisma despite being proficient in 2 charisma skills.

Lae'zel intelligence is pretty low considering she is a Githyanki, making her actually kinda bad for Eldritch Knight by default.

Wyll is ok has a Warlock. But has the "blade of the frontiers" he is kind of a joke with that 13 dex. He is proficient with rapiers for some reason, but he is not even good at using it by default. Maybe he is supposed to be a Hexblade in the final release ?

Gale is... Fine actualy. He's got high Int, good Dex and Con. His only crime is being a boring human with no special abilities or bonus of any kind and lacking darkvision. The ligh cantrip would help him a little.
blamb888 Oct 14, 2020 @ 11:22pm 
Originally posted by Alkirin:
Shadowheart is very sub-optimal, not only with her domain but also her stat distribution.

Wyll could also stand to be optimized a bit, but his primary stats are at least in the right place. He is mostly carried by the fact that warlock is just kinda OP here.

Lae'zel is pretty solidly built to make a good Eldritch Knight.

Astarion could stand to be better optimized, but he does good as a thief.

Gale is pretty uniquely bad. As a mage, not only is he also not optimized, but this game does not allow him to learn new spells from scrolls (like a PC mage can, and really all mages should be able to do). So basically a utility mage that cant utility.

Okay so I'm not going crazy, Gale really can't learn spells from scrolls? I am maining a wizard rn and thought it would be great to spread spells out strategically between 2 casters. But I guess we can't. I wonder if it is a glitch/bug or designed that way? Seems weird that a wizard can't learn spells from scrolls just because they're an NPC.

Is this the tradeoff for allowing wizard mains to learn literally EVERY spell in the game.
I'm just going to say this... spoiler for the vampire. Stop reading here.

For a Vampire Spawn, Astarion should have much better stats in general.
Enigmatory Oct 14, 2020 @ 11:36pm 
Wyll is absolute clown. One big peice of wasted stats distribution. Int 14? Rly? He acting like drunk cave bear entire game.
Enubis Oct 14, 2020 @ 11:39pm 
Originally posted by Indure:
100% Shadowheart. Trickery is the worst domain currently IMO, especially with how bad duplicity is. And her 9 in dexterity is so painful. It weakens her AC, and makes her terrible with bows, which is problematic because Sacred Flame has a bad hit chance at low levels. If you want her to contribute some damage she has to be in melee, which makes it impractical for her to use concentration spells.

I would agree in most logical circumstances invoke duplicity is extremely subpar. However in my runs Astarion just keeps dying so I have a bias against Astarion lololol.
Jossiwales Oct 14, 2020 @ 11:45pm 
Originally posted by Enigmatory:
Wyll is absolute clown. One big peice of wasted stats distribution. Int 14? Rly? He acting like drunk cave bear entire game.
I wouldn't even say it's the int. If anything, it's the subclass. He should clearly be a hexblade warlock.
SmegAu Oct 15, 2020 @ 2:01am 
Stick the 18 int circlet on Astarion or any char you feel is lacking int.
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