5th edition is like modern WoW.

[Big Sneeze]

Fake "RPG" for mouth breathers.
Where are my Feats? Enhancements? Complex dice rolls?
This game is fun for the non-combat Larian stuff, but if you want real D&D, I recommend DDO which is a massive online game based on 3.5 - which is true D&D, where you could customize so much about your character that you can actually get gimped out of the ability to even succeed any attack rolls and you can multiclass twice.

[Pipinpadaloxicopolis]

okay

[Moga CMDR]

last I checked 5e is true DnD. But thanks for the informative post.

Not sure how "fake rpg for mouth breathers" helps the cause at all. Do you need any help? Are you ok?

[Morsk]

4th edition intentionally was like WoW, discarding all tradition and throwing out the existing fanbase to try to get a new fanbase. They also wanted everyone to pay a monthly fee so some web app that would do the combat or something, except the developer committed murder-suicide so that never happened. (That really happened..)

They backtracked and made 5th more traditional.

[HopefullyHeroic]

How is unintentionally gimping your character to the point of always failing a positive note for you?

[hyperion]

Look at this dude, he's totally serious, so take him seriously.

[LupisVolk]

Originally posted by Guild Sweetheart:

Not sure how "fake rpg for mouth breathers" helps the cause at all. Do you need any help? Are you ok?

Gotta hurl abuse to assert dominance is their mind set.

[Big Sneeze]

Originally posted by HopefullyHeroic:

How is unintentionally gimping your character to the point of always failing a positive note for you?

Because it means it takes a lot of planning to build your character which means there's a LOT of options and many different things to do. 5th edition is extremely streamlined to the point where you can't make interesting characters.

[Big Sneeze]

Originally posted by LupisVolk:

Originally posted by Guild Sweetheart:

Not sure how "fake rpg for mouth breathers" helps the cause at all. Do you need any help? Are you ok?

Gotta hurl abuse to assert dominance is their mind set.

And your mindset is pretending to be right and better than me despite having no counter argument. The typical college "educated" filth that western society is infested with.

[Dex]

I think OSR players would disagree that lots of rules/options/feats/etc are what make a rpg good. You can have streamlined gameplay and still have as much interesting gameplay as super crunchy systems.

[Mr_hanky]

So a mmorpg that has been out for ten (?) years has more content than a sp early access game? Shocking!

[Big Sneeze]

Originally posted by Morsk:

4th edition intentionally was like WoW, discarding all tradition and throwing out the existing fanbase to try to get a new fanbase. They also wanted everyone to pay a monthly fee so some web app that would do the combat or something, except the developer committed murder-suicide so that never happened. (That really happened..)

They backtracked and made 5th more traditional.

They applied a band aid to it at best. More traditional, still streamlined garbage.

[DiceWrangler]

And I thought the primary goal behind D&D 5e was to end the "edition wars" by balancing unnecessary complexity and casual fun. Apparently not, according to the OP, it was to appeal to "mouth breathers." /rolleyes

[𝕮𝖗𝖚𝖈𝖎𝖋𝖎𝖈]

lol if you want real dnd just play real dnd

[Big Sneeze]

Originally posted by Mr_hanky:

So a mmorpg that has been out for ten (?) years has more content than a sp early access game? Shocking!

5th edition means this game is knee-capped in it's potential and will never even approach the amount of content a 3.5e game could have in it.

[Dubious Progress]

Originally posted by Morsk:

4th edition intentionally was like WoW, discarding all tradition and throwing out the existing fanbase to try to get a new fanbase. They also wanted everyone to pay a monthly fee so some web app that would do the combat or something, except the developer committed murder-suicide so that never happened. (That really happened..)

They backtracked and made 5th more traditional.

3.x was totally D&D making EverQuest. AD&D 2nd edition was making D&D Wizardry.

Seriously, you shouldn't be able to use that analogy if you weren't on USENET for the first go around.

also, too, no. 4e was a rebuild based on OD&D with the design goal of having fun, balanced combat and adding in mechanics for complex non-combat threats (Skill Challenges) based on first principles from OD&D. The idea was to make it a Fun Game, which OD&D embraced - OD&D has dozens of rules that are "Gamist" such as "All monsters can see in the dark, and can open any door - monsters you hire can't see in the dark and can't open any doors", random encounter tables that change between sessions, XP coming from extracted wealth from the dungeon, etc. 4e just formalized all the roles that had been around since before Warhammer was a twinkle in GW's eye and said "If we're going to have these rolls (Tank, control, damage, healing) make the classes good at them and tell players what each class does" - 3.x people freaked out that wizards weren't uber alis anymore, and whelp.

3.x was Pure Simulationist, and basically caused a ton of exploits as well as, y'know, CODZilla and other ways to win simply by writing "Cleric/Wizard/Druid" on your character sheet.

5e is supposedly an Omni edition, meant for All plaeyrs but, y'know, it's an intentionally basic game where Fighters are for people not paying attention, wizards are powerful but can't win every encounter on their own and rangers suck, because Mike Mearls is bad at his job.