No Alignment?

[nickanney]

In title.

[ManDudely]

If you think alignment does/means nothing, then that shows how ignorant of the D&D setting you are.

[Zamza]

Yeah, a big part of being in a D&D group is to argue over what your character's alignment means.

[Voodoo]

Well what does it do, not even paladin got detect evil anymore in 5e, its just detect certain magical creatures...and can be chaotic evil and anything else for that matter.

[hellgeist]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von JVAHF:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von hellgeist:

THIS
Alignment and religions in DnD were always integral. Now they'be been done away with, because the point is to de-moralize the audience.

What you failed to comprehend is that the guy whom you answered to was OBVIOUSLY being sarcastic. Are you seriously defending inclusiveness for psychopaths, hellgeist? For rapists too? WHAT THE HELL, mate?

I was aware they were being sarcastic, and it was in defense of alignments, not inclusiveness for psychos. People who want alignment discarded are asking for this very thing, and are too immature to understand that fact.

Here is the long version of my response:
It is a feature of these kinds of people (anti-alignment) to reject the reality of consequences, be unable to observe their own behavior, or see the effect it has over time.
They are the end-product of a de-moralized population - a generation stuck with an absolutely corrupted mentality that will be doomed to make every mistake, and drag its society into ruin (and force all lessons to be re-learned the hard way).

[The Time Traveler]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aldoro:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Salt Mage:

3.5e threatened to have a paladin stripped of their powers because they felt like they needed to help their allies when the rogue got caught stealing something, and that means they aren't Lawful Good anymore.

Gee, a paragon of ultimate good losing their powers when they ally and help thieves, robbers, and murderers? Please say it ain't so!

Most of the time alignment was just used to troll a player by a dm.

[The Face]

OP is not familiar with 5e

[Voodoo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Shadow:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Aldoro:

Gee, a paragon of ultimate good losing their powers when they ally and help thieves, robbers, and murderers? Please say it ain't so!

Most of the time alignment was just used to troll a player by a dm.

Because it was concept that despite being sufficiently explained was still mistaken heavily as good=benevolence, evil=malevolence because of modern outlook on it.

[hellgeist]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von The Face:

OP is not familiar with 5e

Noobs (you included) are not familiar with DnD. As mentioned earlier in this thread, the very fabric of the planes relies on alignment, and would have to be rewritten as a consequence of discarding it. If they don't then 5e is a no longer DnD, and can't provide this crucial game balance mechanism. Essentially, no longer an RPG for adults.

[alanc9]

The question isn't whether alignment still exists in the setting , the question is whether it's worth the devs' time to track and score it. AFAIK we don't get to play after our PC's final death, so which Outer Plane she gets sent to won't come up in-game. When would alignment be useful?

[Voodoo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GrandMajora:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von alanc9:

The question isn't whether alignment still exists in the setting , the question is whether it's worth the devs' time to track and score it. AFAIK we don't get to play after our PC's final death, so which Outer Plane she gets sent to won't come up in-game. When would alignment be useful?

Religion being one instance? I've said at least a couple times that "Evil Cleric" was one of the dialogue tags, for my Vlaakith worshiper.

By the table top mechanics, a Cleric must be within at least 2 adjacent places of the alignment chart to that of their deity. The one exception to this seems to be Oghma, which BG3 explicitly states when looking through the deity descriptions.

If you're a Cleric of Lolth, for example, your character must be Neutral Evil, Chaotic Evil, or Chaotic Neutral. She won't grant powers to anyone who isn't one of those three alignments.

If you play a Cleric of Lolth, while trying to be a good character, you are breaking the table top rules. That kind of character should not be possible, as outlined in the game's mechanics!

This is actually not a rule in 5e... you can serve lg god while being ce and still retain everything.

[Verenti]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sunago:

5E barely made use of alignment. I believe only a few magical items and creatures required certain allignments. They had a talk with WoTC and removed it because of that.

The smarter move would be to keep it in as a superficial choice. People are, evidently, attached to their alignment.

[alanc9]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GrandMajora:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von alanc9:

The question isn't whether alignment still exists in the setting , the question is whether it's worth the devs' time to track and score it. AFAIK we don't get to play after our PC's final death, so which Outer Plane she gets sent to won't come up in-game. When would alignment be useful?

Religion being one instance? I've said at least a couple times that "Evil Cleric" was one of the dialogue tags, for my Vlaakith worshiper.

By the table top mechanics, a Cleric must be within at least 2 adjacent places of the alignment chart to that of their deity. The one exception to this seems to be Oghma, which BG3 explicitly states when looking through the deity descriptions.

If you're a Cleric of Lolth, for example, your character must be Neutral Evil, Chaotic Evil, or Chaotic Neutral. She won't grant powers to anyone who isn't one of those three alignments.

If you play a Cleric of Lolth, while trying to be a good character, you are breaking the table top rules. That kind of character should not be possible, as outlined in the game's mechanics!

As mentioned, this doesn't seem to actually be a rule anymore.

I'm still looking for why this is worth the dev time. Only bad RPers would be constrained by enforcing this non-rule. Who cares what they do?

[Fenris]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Sniperfox47:

What are you talking about? Alignment is an objective morality system... The real world doesn't have an objective morality system...

The real world has an objective morality system.
This is objectively the most of people living in this world who doesn't have morality anymore, now.
It's slightly different :)

[Planeforger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von GrandMajora:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von alanc9:

The question isn't whether alignment still exists in the setting , the question is whether it's worth the devs' time to track and score it. AFAIK we don't get to play after our PC's final death, so which Outer Plane she gets sent to won't come up in-game. When would alignment be useful?

Religion being one instance? I've said at least a couple times that "Evil Cleric" was one of the dialogue tags, for my Vlaakith worshiper.

By the table top mechanics, a Cleric must be within at least 2 adjacent places of the alignment chart to that of their deity. The one exception to this seems to be Oghma, which BG3 explicitly states when looking through the deity descriptions.

If you're a Cleric of Lolth, for example, your character must be Neutral Evil, Chaotic Evil, or Chaotic Neutral. She won't grant powers to anyone who isn't one of those three alignments.

If you play a Cleric of Lolth, while trying to be a good character, you are breaking the table top rules. That kind of character should not be possible, as outlined in the game's mechanics!

Nope, not in 5e.

Mechanically, Clerics in 5e specialise in particular domains, not specific gods. So you could have a chaotic good cleric of Torm or a true neutral cleric of Bane, and they'd both get the same abilities as a War Domain Cleric.

Alignment really doesn't matter in 5e, from a mechanical perspective.

[Jiro Dragonheart]

Alignments have always been too ridged anyways. Character always comes first. I haven't had to add an alignment to a dnd character of mine in years.