No Alignment?

[nickanney]

In title.

[Kn8cK]

Originally posted by nick anney 5838:

In title.

Are you crazy? People might get offended if they're told what they're doing is bad. Can't have that. Must be inclusive to psychopaths.

[hellgeist]

Originally posted by Cutie Honey:

Originally posted by nick anney 5838:

In title.

Are you crazy? People might get offended if they're told what they're doing is bad. Can't have that. Must be inclusive to psychopaths.

THIS
Alignment and religions in DnD were always integral. Now they'be been done away with, because the point is to de-moralize the audience.

[Chocos Ramabotti]

Wait they really removed that? Seems like they don't care about D&D overall -.-

[nickanney]

Originally posted by hellgeist:

Originally posted by Cutie Honey:

Are you crazy? People might get offended if they're told what they're doing is bad. Can't have that. Must be inclusive to psychopaths.

THIS
Alignment and religions in DnD were always integral. Now they'be been done away with, because the point is to de-moralize the audience.

Oh, I have long and long time no play the DnD game, maybe you are right.

[Sunago]

5E barely made use of alignment. I believe only a few magical items and creatures required certain allignments. They had a talk with WoTC and removed it because of that.

[Gunslinger]

Removed at the request of wizard of the coast, not surprisingly due to them removing it as a key feature of DnD 5th

[Sniperfox47]

Originally posted by nick anney 5838:

In title.

Alignment in D&D is a massively outdated system that serves literally no purpose in 5e outside memes and arguments around the table. There's literally no reason for it to be included because it has no mechanical impact and it's supposed to be defined by the characters actions anyways.

Even in 3.5e the benefits of an alignment system was murky at best. Like everything that had any relation to Undead got tagged "Evil" because "objective morality" despite pretty much all the source books saying that Undead aren't necessarily evil and that many things like Mummies are also used as guardians by good. Like it got so ridiculous that Forgotten Realms needed a second monster type that was literally identical in all ways to undead except it had the good descriptor instead of evil.

None of that stuff exists in 5e. Outside of the different Outsider subtypes alignment is irrelevant in 5e and that's a huge step forward.

[Archfiend]

I'm only a couple hours in, but I'm feeling a very 'ends justify the means' kind of moral ambiguity that doesn't sit right with me. BG 1 and 2 let you play a villain if you wanted... but you it let you play a hero, too. I'm really not sure what my character is in BG 3. Hmm... I was forced to kill a druid who only wanted to spare me a hideous transformation... yeah: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. My character's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

I hope it is just something they add in later.
Tho the problem with alignment in games like this is that it is never consistent.
If you dont allow for alignment change then the alignment system is pointless.
And if you do you get different alignment rewards for the same action due to different quest designers have different point of view of what is good.

Remember that mass effect arguement that murdering an entire city of geth would be far more paragon then brainwashing them?
Or how in swtor the alignment reward seemed random due to how the same action resulted in different rewards depending on who made the quest?

I can fully understand why people rather avoid the subject.

For example: Looting is stealing?
Yes? No?
Or how about the stuff we just take because it doesnt have a steal tag on it.
Could you imagine how much you have to avoid picking up if everything you didnt make, bought or harvested yourself was consider stolen?
Or how much money we lose out if we coudnt sell the stuff we loot.

There is a lot of stuff we ignore for gameplay sake.
The fact we are all chaotic evil murderers is one of them.

[Archfiend]

Originally posted by Sniperfox47:

Originally posted by nick anney 5838:

In title.

Outside of the different Outsider subtypes alignment is irrelevant in 5e and that's a huge misstep.

FTFY

[Salt Mage]

Alignment is a crutch and stifles roleplaying.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by Archfiend:

I'm only a couple hours in, but I'm feeling a very 'ends justify the means' kind of moral ambiguity that doesn't sit right with me. BG 1 and 2 let you play a villain if you wanted... but you it let you play a hero, too. I'm really not sure what my character is in BG 3. Hmm... I was forced to kill a druid who only wanted to spare me a hideous transformation... yeah: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. My character's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Ow that quest?
I just beat her unconsions and drank the potion.
She might wanted to save my a painful tranformation but she still lied to me and try's to kill me.
Her survive the encounter is mercy enough.

[Wanderer]

Lets just wait for the fanboys to come in and defend this choice.

[Caridor]

I'd rather not have it. 5E minimised the impact of allignments because it stifles roleplay. I can be playing a lawful good paladin, but if an opportunity to end a great evil involves some small evil act, I can't do it? Doesn't make sense.

[Sniperfox47]

Originally posted by Archfiend:

I'm only a couple hours in, but I'm feeling a very 'ends justify the means' kind of moral ambiguity that doesn't sit right with me. BG 1 and 2 let you play a villain if you wanted... but you it let you play a hero, too. I'm really not sure what my character is in BG 3. Hmm... I was forced to kill a druid who only wanted to spare me a hideous transformation... yeah: ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. My character's an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Wait what? You killed a Druid? I'm playing an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Githyanki and I didn't get into a fight with a single Druid, even when one of them literally tried to poison and murder me I just told her she was an idiot and she was like "Oh, I'm sorry. Here let me fix that poison for you Miss! I have Great respect for you. Please save us all!" The game seems to be making me into a saint even when I'm just blunt and brutal with everyone (as befitting a Githyanki Knight).