Baldur's Gate 3

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KDA Seraphine 7 DIC 2020 a las 6:08 a. m.
I think that current companion system isn't fair for evil playthrough......
All companions, even Astarion and Lae'zel, have no trouble following me if I decide to be "good".
They only show disapproval sometimes and do nothing.
However, if I join "evil" and make massacre in Druid Grove, I will lose Wyll.
Some players even lost all companions because they killed them at the first meeting.
How about creating some companions only for "evil"?
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swbrandt 7 DIC 2020 a las 9:58 p. m. 
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I think Lae'zel actually should leave for being too Chaotic, not necessarily Good. She's hardcore Lawful Evil and thinks theft should be punished by death. If you steal things and she knows about it, she should either leave the party or try to kill you. Edit to add: she's also a Gith who thinks everyone else is a lesser form of life. She doesn't think she needs you, doesn't think you're worth saving. So if you go against beliefs she holds like a zealot, that should be a deal breaker.

Astarion, though, has good reason to stick around. He is desperate to stay free from his master. That is the ONLY thing he really cares about. You are his ticket to staying free so he will put up with damn near anything. After 200 years of ongoing physical and psychological torture, there is nothing he won't do to keep out of Cazador's grasp. Putting up with you being a goody two-shoes is a small price to pay.
Lae'zel didn't leave me whatever "dishonorable" or "chaotic" things I did.
She did nothing but disapproval.

I know. It's really hard to get companions to ditch you - too hard in my opinion. Wyll is the only one I know for sure who will leave. It seems out of character for Lae'zel. She really should take a harder line with you, if you're a lying, stealing chaotic type. She has a party banter where she literally says that theft should be punished with death! But she doesn't say a peep about it when you are stealing stuff right and left.

Edit: Sorry, I probably wasn't clear in my earlier post. Lae'zel doesn't leave no matter what you do, as far as I know. And I think that is a poor portrayal of her character. She should leave, or at least threaten you or something. Instead, not a word.
Última edición por swbrandt; 7 DIC 2020 a las 10:00 p. m.
swbrandt 7 DIC 2020 a las 10:13 p. m. 
Yeah, Wyll is not Lawful for sure. Conversation with him about his past reveals that both he and his father, whom he idolizes, had "sticky fingers" and liked to take things that didn't belong to them. Until he screwed up somehow ("went thieving in the wrong shadows" Wyll says) and Dad had to ship him off to the military to straighten him out.

I still think of Wyll as an aspiring Chaotic Good, but walking pretty close to the line on that "Good" stuff.
swbrandt 7 DIC 2020 a las 10:40 p. m. 
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I still think of Wyll as an aspiring Chaotic Good, but walking pretty close to the line on that "Good" stuff.

Now that sounds better, unlike a certain someone who's clearly trying to put Wyll in the "Chaotic Neutral" box.

Yeah I can read you mind GrandMajora, I know that's what you think Wyll is lol. He'll never join the darkside though, never never....he's not your anakin of Bg3 unless of course you make him! xD

Yes. My feeling is that it's a RPG, and the characters are all in some kind of crisis, where they can tip in one of two directions. We're going to get to decide what happens (if it's written well, anyway). Does Shadowheart stay loyal to Shar, or does she discover things about herself that make her change her entire outlook on life? Does Wyll become, in truth, the hero he wants to be, or does he become a morally gray "ends justify the means" type? Is there any shred of Astarion's humanity that can be salvaged, or is he doomed to be nothing more than a soulless monster? Can Gale fix the colossal mistake he made in the past or will it destroy him completely? The characters aren't fixed or static; what they are now is not necessarily what they will remain. I look forward to seeing more of their stories.
Alealexi 8 DIC 2020 a las 1:17 a. m. 
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I do see Wyll as a lawful good character. Gale is more neutral good.
Laz'ael is more lawful evil, Shadowheart neutral evil, and Astarion either chaotic neutral or just evil.

Lawful Good, my hairy ass! He has no qualms about torturing a prisoner for information when Spike tells him he'll reveal the location of his girl. Only expressing outrage when he fulfills his end of the deal, but finds out that Spike was lying about knowing where she was.

Lawful good does not mean lawful nice.
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These ARE the evil companions!

The developers outright stated that they gave us the evil companions in early access, because most people never pick them on a real play through of the game. So they decided to take this opportunity to encourage players to try them out.

Apparently, a ton of people failed to get the memo, and decided to complain about how much the current roster of companions are a bunch of A-holes. So the devs finally patched their behavior to be less standoffish.
I don't think they are "evil" enough because they didn't do anything to stop me doing "good" things, and still stay in my party.
I think "evil" companions like Astarion and Lae'zel should leave the party if players try to be "good".

No, lae'zel should leave if you try to work against her goals whether they are 'evil' or 'good' is utterly immaterial. I am quite sure none of the 'evil' companions stares in mirrors and says 'muhahahahah I am so evil!' - their goals are just more self centered and/ or their methods to achieve their goals don't take others into consideration.

Why would Lae'zel care if you give gold to an orphanage? As long as you bring her to her people fast I doubt she'd care much at all if you're a soft hearted fool.
Última edición por Something completely different; 8 DIC 2020 a las 1:41 a. m.
Aria Athena 8 DIC 2020 a las 1:47 a. m. 
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Lawful Good, my hairy ass! He has no qualms about torturing a prisoner for information when Spike tells him he'll reveal the location of his girl. Only expressing outrage when he fulfills his end of the deal, but finds out that Spike was lying about knowing where she was.

Lawful good does not mean lawful nice.

It also doesn't mean chaotic evil, which was what Wyll did there. I'm very lax with how far away a character can stray from their alignment, but that would be too much for someone LG. He doesn't look like he has ever been lawful, but perhaps we may be witnessing his change from good to evil. This is as lenient as I'm willing to be.
KDA Seraphine 8 DIC 2020 a las 2:02 a. m. 
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I don't think they are "evil" enough because they didn't do anything to stop me doing "good" things, and still stay in my party.
I think "evil" companions like Astarion and Lae'zel should leave the party if players try to be "good".

No, lae'zel should leave if you try to work against her goals whether they are 'evil' or 'good' is utterly immaterial. I am quite sure none of the 'evil' companions stares in mirrors and says 'muhahahahah I am so evil!' - their goals are just more self centered and/ or their methods to achieve their goals don't take others into consideration.

Why would Lae'zel care if you give gold to an orphanage? As long as you bring her to her people fast I doubt she'd care much at all if you're a soft hearted fool.
I understand what you mean, and that is why I think Lae'zel should leave if players waste too much time to do "good" things rather than go straight to find her people.
"I told you I know the only way to remove the tadpole, and you still waste my time. I will leave this party and find my people by myself." Something like this.
Tijaax 8 DIC 2020 a las 2:07 a. m. 
Only a psyco with no empathy wants to roleplay a full psychoPATH.
I suposse you could hire some mercenaries in the future, in baldur's gate city for example. Like flat characters with no big lore behind.
Última edición por Tijaax; 8 DIC 2020 a las 2:10 a. m.
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No, lae'zel should leave if you try to work against her goals whether they are 'evil' or 'good' is utterly immaterial. I am quite sure none of the 'evil' companions stares in mirrors and says 'muhahahahah I am so evil!' - their goals are just more self centered and/ or their methods to achieve their goals don't take others into consideration.

Why would Lae'zel care if you give gold to an orphanage? As long as you bring her to her people fast I doubt she'd care much at all if you're a soft hearted fool.
I understand what you mean, and that is why I think Lae'zel should leave if players waste too much time to do "good" things rather than go straight to find her people.
"I told you I know the only way to remove the tadpole, and you still waste my time. I will leave this party and find my people by myself." Something like this.

Exactly. Though the difference with your opening post is that it's immaterial whether the deeds are good or evil. Anything, good or evil, that's a delay should penalise relations with Lae'zel (atleast untill a cure is found, no clue when that happens though, after that she should be grateful and less likely to leave unless you really sin against her lawful evilness with lawful coming first.)
treahnurb 8 DIC 2020 a las 4:52 a. m. 
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All companions, even Astarion and Lae'zel, have no trouble following me if I decide to be "good".
They only show disapproval sometimes and do nothing.
However, if I join "evil" and make massacre in Druid Grove, I will lose Wyll.
Some players even lost all companions because they killed them at the first meeting.
How about creating some companions only for "evil"?

You think? I actually think it's the other way around, the game is not very nice for a good guy play through. Honestly the only one who likes me is Gale.
KDA Seraphine 8 DIC 2020 a las 5:01 a. m. 
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All companions, even Astarion and Lae'zel, have no trouble following me if I decide to be "good".
They only show disapproval sometimes and do nothing.
However, if I join "evil" and make massacre in Druid Grove, I will lose Wyll.
Some players even lost all companions because they killed them at the first meeting.
How about creating some companions only for "evil"?

You think? I actually think it's the other way around, the game is not very nice for a good guy play through. Honestly the only one who likes me is Gale.
At least you won't lose anyone if you choose to be "good".
They aren't "heartwarming" but still follow you.
treahnurb 8 DIC 2020 a las 5:05 a. m. 
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You think? I actually think it's the other way around, the game is not very nice for a good guy play through. Honestly the only one who likes me is Gale.
At least you won't lose anyone if you choose to be "good".
They aren't "heartwarming" but still follow you.

For now. Astarion, I am very sure, only follows me around because he needs me. I mean he basically said that straight into my face. Once in Baldur's Gate, I am sure that asshat will try to suck my blood dry at the first chance. Same goes for Lae'zel. She's hiding something which is why she wouldn't search for her people alone. Wyll has to leave you when you murder the grove because he has those hero standards that Astarion and Shadwoheart for eg lack. So they won't leave you even though they hate you and will murder you once they don't need you anymore, but you are more useful to them alive because tadpole and what not. Wyll however can't throw his morals away like this. So it actually all makes perfect sense to me.
Tijaax 8 DIC 2020 a las 5:59 a. m. 
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Only a psyco with no empathy wants to roleplay a full psychoPATH.

Oh gods, not one of these players...

You do realize that it's a GAME, right? We're not harming actual people.

If players were supposed to be exclusively heroic characters every time, then they wouldn't have even introduced the concept of a Neutral and Evil axis on the alignment spectrum in the first place.

Every player would be categorized as Good!


No, It has nothing to do with it.
That is why the alignment system is created, there is a wide range of interpretations and possibilities that do not fall within the classic archetype of the good hero.
If you like the role of psychopath you are free to do it, the logical thing is that you end up alone or hiring people for money, do not expect the NPCs created as companions to adapt to it.
Capt.Luke 8 DIC 2020 a las 6:04 a. m. 
the 5 we have atm are neutrel and evil. there is no good yet
the good onw will be a paladin, a werewolf bard and a ranger

astarion is a bigest hypocyte ever, he keep contradict himself all the time

the only true evil compagnion is shadowheart,
my best playtrought were with 3 PC and shadowheart

make your own party buddy, get the NPC out of your way. they all basdly written anyway
Última edición por Capt.Luke; 8 DIC 2020 a las 6:09 a. m.
Azazel 8 DIC 2020 a las 6:16 a. m. 
hey now... don't diss murder hobo playthrough lol. yea no, there are plenty of evil players im just not sure enough content to really piss them off by being good enough for them to say ♥♥♥♥ this ♥♥♥♥. at this stage everyone really only cares about getting the tadpole out. so even evil ones probably are thinking 'sticking with the herd may not be such a bad idea' <<<

so yea i imagine you could prove yourself to be horrible enough to lose people in act one, yet not altruistic enough to lost people in act 1. that was an accomplishment to pull off even in the original bg campaign
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