Baldur's Gate 3

Baldur's Gate 3

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Cedric 3 DIC 2020 a las 10:18 a. m.
This game is unplayable (main char: cleric).
Hello,

This will be a rant because I feel powerless to even try to play this game for the 3rd time now.

So my main is a cleric. My only offensive skill misses ALL THE time. My character gets oneshotted by essentially everything.

I went through hell to get to Act I. Most of the fights were stupiditly hard, all my casters were constantly missing and getting killed in one or two hits (somehow enemies almost never miss, what a surprise!).

Okay, so there was a soft reset after Patch 1. I restarted the game, my main is obviously a cleric again. First fight of the Prologue: 2-shotted by a stupid brain... I was running around, healing myself with my only two heal spells I have, which obviously require a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ spell rune (why can't cleric have a basic heal cantrip?!) and spaming that one and only offensive spell which - guess what - missed every single time and shoving the enemy as much as I could. Eventually ran out of actions and died.

Second try on the abovementioned fight: oh yay, it's the same story all over again. Even though I've got max Wisdom my spells have less than 40% chance to hit (but somehow they never hit anyway).

HOW is this supposed to be FUN?

I'm sick and tired of this game. It's nothing like Baldur's Gate 1-2 or Icewind Dale, it's nothing like Divinity Sin 1 or 2, the combat is a FRUSTRATING mess. It's unplayable when your main is a cleric! Or any caster actually!

How do you guys manage to enjoy this absurd mess?

I don't even know what am I doing wrong. It's a first battle of the very first location; there's no way I built my character so wrong it dies right after a beginning sequence of the game, on the very first encounter! ALL THE TIME!

I had the same issues in my previous play; but I forced myself to continue and repeat every single fight 34234 times but it eventually became so frustrating I stopped playing. I thought Patch 3 was supposed to balance it somehow but this is even worse than before.

Please advise. I always main a healer in cRPGs (or a mage) and at times playing a healer, as a main character is bound to be harder than other specs, which I'm aware of, but Baldur's Gate 3 brought this to a completly different level... I just don't know how to proceed with this game. It was meant to be fun. It's not.
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Alealexi 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:02 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Cedric:
Hello,

Thank you for all your replies.

After reading it all I guess this game will not work for me.


But I'll reply anyway.

Yes, I am kind of stuck in times of Baldur's Gate 1-2 and Icewind Dale. I realize that the battle system has changed, I'm okay with turn based system; it worked great in Divinity Sin for me.
It doesn't here.


Anyway:
There's a screenshot of my lv 1 cleric:
https://imgur.com/a/7IpVPyB

I didn't take any screenshots of my pre-patch 3 cleric, I wonder if there's a way to load those save files without undoing the patch.

As in regards of my cleric: i didn't even think about making my cleric a meele fighter. I gave him as much constitution as I could, wisdom and of course charisma because in previous BG titles enough charisma meant you could persuade everyone into everything.

I In previous BG games if you had more charisma that a set stat requirement, you'd just pass the check and done. At least that's how I remember that. Somehow it simply doesn't work here, in my previous playthrough I kept losing all those stupid dice rolls even though I had maxed charisma at my current level. I should've passed all the checks every time against the oppents but I didn't.

And yes, in my previous playthrough my cleric and Shadowheart barely got out of the beach after the crash because of the two brain enemies would keep slaughtering us; our Sacred Flames would just MISS, MISS, MISS and both my main and Shadowheart would get oneshotted if those brains got close. I can't remember how many times I had to repeat that segment... And I had no one with me but her.

I can't imagine how my cleric alone was supposed to win that encounter...

As in regards of Bless: i barely used it because it uses spell rune and I keep those for healing spells! In my previous playthrough everyone would keep getting killed, my cleric wouldn't do anything but heal until he ran out of actions.

I'm afraid I'm gonna have issues adapting to this new "vision" of Baldur's Gate. I don't know much about 5th edition, I barely had knowledge of 2nd edition years ago but it worked in previous games, even if they didn't emulate D&D to such degree.

To be honest I play mostly for the story and exploring... But then again I liked my adventures in Faerun from 20 years ago and I don't want to be cut off because out of the blue they decided to emulate D&D that much.

Are there any chances that they will implement an option to change the difficulty or simply remove most of the 5E rules out of combat, in the future iversions of this game?

If it is as you guys state it is, I most likely will not adapt to play this game well combat-wise. But I wanna get through the game just for the story.

I know the game is currently set on classic difficulty. They will likely set a story mode option like they did in DOS2 with lower DC checks and AC. As said it is mostly the fact that they are trying to get this game as close to D&D tabletop as possible. The previous BG games didn't have the technology to correctly emulate a d&d game which is where the confusion comes from.
Brian Sirith 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:04 p. m. 
>> Are there any chances that they will implement an option to change the difficulty

Yes :D

>> or simply remove most of the 5E rules out of combat, in the future iversions of this game?

No

But when they add story mode (and I'm sure they will) you'll be cool. Sadly you may have to wait for full release but... so many games around to have fun while waiting.

Cheers!
Última edición por Brian Sirith; 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:05 p. m.
Qiox 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:15 p. m. 
How am I supposed to sleep at night knowing there's a character out there at level 1 with 4 stats sitting on an odd number? :(
Mosey 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:15 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Cedric:
Hello,
there's no way I built my character so wrong it dies right after a beginning sequence of the game, on the very first encounter! ALL THE TIME!

I really wanted to be snarky, but really if someone can't easily beat the game with a cleric it's just too easy to be mean and I'll just feel bad for this player instead.

They keep trying the same thing, expecting their terrible build to work this next time for sure. Surely if they can put a few more points into CHA or WIS and lower their STR or DEX just a little more it will work this next time.

Einstein said something about that type of behavior.

EDIT:
You know, I said the CHA/WIS thing to be funny but I just saw the OP posted their build. No STR. No DEX. Has high CHA they burned out of those stats.

No hope for someone that does that. What exactly did you think you got out of CHA on a Cleric? Because it does absolutely nothing for you whatsoever.
Última edición por Mosey; 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:17 p. m.
Brian Sirith 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:18 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Qiox:
How am I supposed to sleep at night knowing there's a character out there at level 1 with 4 stats sitting on an odd number? :(

:lunar2019crylaughingpig:
xposethedarkside 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:22 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Cedric:
Hello,

Thank you for all your replies.

After reading it all I guess this game will not work for me.


But I'll reply anyway.

Yes, I am kind of stuck in times of Baldur's Gate 1-2 and Icewind Dale. I realize that the battle system has changed, I'm okay with turn based system; it worked great in Divinity Sin for me.
It doesn't here.


Anyway:
There's a screenshot of my lv 1 cleric:
https://imgur.com/a/7IpVPyB

I didn't take any screenshots of my pre-patch 3 cleric, I wonder if there's a way to load those save files without undoing the patch.

As in regards of my cleric: i didn't even think about making my cleric a meele fighter. I gave him as much constitution as I could, wisdom and of course charisma because in previous BG titles enough charisma meant you could persuade everyone into everything.

I In previous BG games if you had more charisma that a set stat requirement, you'd just pass the check and done. At least that's how I remember that. Somehow it simply doesn't work here, in my previous playthrough I kept losing all those stupid dice rolls even though I had maxed charisma at my current level. I should've passed all the checks every time against the oppents but I didn't.

And yes, in my previous playthrough my cleric and Shadowheart barely got out of the beach after the crash because of the two brain enemies would keep slaughtering us; our Sacred Flames would just MISS, MISS, MISS and both my main and Shadowheart would get oneshotted if those brains got close. I can't remember how many times I had to repeat that segment... And I had no one with me but her.

I can't imagine how my cleric alone was supposed to win that encounter...

As in regards of Bless: i barely used it because it uses spell rune and I keep those for healing spells! In my previous playthrough everyone would keep getting killed, my cleric wouldn't do anything but heal until he ran out of actions.

I'm afraid I'm gonna have issues adapting to this new "vision" of Baldur's Gate. I don't know much about 5th edition, I barely had knowledge of 2nd edition years ago but it worked in previous games, even if they didn't emulate D&D to such degree.

To be honest I play mostly for the story and exploring... But then again I liked my adventures in Faerun from 20 years ago and I don't want to be cut off because out of the blue they decided to emulate D&D that much.

Are there any chances that they will implement an option to change the difficulty or simply remove most of the 5E rules out of combat, in the future iversions of this game?

If it is as you guys state it is, I most likely will not adapt to play this game well combat-wise. But I wanna get through the game just for the story.


You're really overthinking this my dude. With just an understanding of a couple of core fundamentals that you don't know right now, you'll run through this game easily. Really, this game is super easy.

If you understand nothing except the stealth mechanics and the high ground advantage, that alone is enough to run rough shot over this game. Every single encounter in the game can be made trivial with an understanding of just these two things.

That's not even including shove tactics, barrelmancey and a whole host of other things that massively shift every encounter to your advantage.

Once you know these things the game is honestly super easy.
Última edición por xposethedarkside; 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:24 p. m.
Brian Sirith 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:23 p. m. 
Ok to be helpful. What Qiox means is that you should keep your stats at even numbers. The bonuses and penalties apply every 2. So If you're gonna put it at 9, you might as well put it at 8, its the same. Constitution 15 is the same as 14, Dex 11 is the same as 10.

So 9, 11, 15, 9, 16, 16 is the same as 8, 10, 14, 8, 16, 16 in most things. I think there's some minor things maybe weight carried that uses the absolute value. So you wasted quite a few stat points which you could have allocated elsewhere.

Long time PF player so if Im wrong I expect the DnD experts to correct me :)
Última edición por Brian Sirith; 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:25 p. m.
GRRz|Snake 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:29 p. m. 
https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-shadowheart-death/

In a data that Larian Studios revealed , they're showing that the character with the most deaths is Shadowheart (Cleric) lul
Última edición por GRRz|Snake; 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:33 p. m.
xposethedarkside 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:34 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por GRRz|Snake:
https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-shadowheart-death/

In a data that Larian showed us , they're saying that the character with the most deaths is Shadowheart (Cleric) lul

Right, but how many of us killed her ourselves just because of how snotty and arrogant she is? I know I've greased her a time or two lol.
Brian Sirith 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:36 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por xposethedarkside:
Publicado originalmente por GRRz|Snake:
https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-shadowheart-death/

In a data that Larian showed us , they're saying that the character with the most deaths is Shadowheart (Cleric) lul

Right, but how many of us killed her ourselves just because of how snotty and arrogant she is? I know I've greased her a time or two lol.

I picked her up from camp -where I'd left her to rot- and sacrificed her to Boaaaaaaal. It was a moment of puuuuuuuure joy.

We are off topic though.
Última edición por Brian Sirith; 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:38 p. m.
augustus c a s e y 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:43 p. m. 
i remember when video games were hard for me too should try the sims or something instead
Indure 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:45 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Cedric:
Hello,

Thank you for all your replies.

After reading it all I guess this game will not work for me.


But I'll reply anyway.

Yes, I am kind of stuck in times of Baldur's Gate 1-2 and Icewind Dale. I realize that the battle system has changed, I'm okay with turn based system; it worked great in Divinity Sin for me.
It doesn't here.


Anyway:
There's a screenshot of my lv 1 cleric:
https://imgur.com/a/7IpVPyB

I didn't take any screenshots of my pre-patch 3 cleric, I wonder if there's a way to load those save files without undoing the patch.

As in regards of my cleric: i didn't even think about making my cleric a meele fighter. I gave him as much constitution as I could, wisdom and of course charisma because in previous BG titles enough charisma meant you could persuade everyone into everything.

I In previous BG games if you had more charisma that a set stat requirement, you'd just pass the check and done. At least that's how I remember that. Somehow it simply doesn't work here, in my previous playthrough I kept losing all those stupid dice rolls even though I had maxed charisma at my current level. I should've passed all the checks every time against the oppents but I didn't.

And yes, in my previous playthrough my cleric and Shadowheart barely got out of the beach after the crash because of the two brain enemies would keep slaughtering us; our Sacred Flames would just MISS, MISS, MISS and both my main and Shadowheart would get oneshotted if those brains got close. I can't remember how many times I had to repeat that segment... And I had no one with me but her.

I can't imagine how my cleric alone was supposed to win that encounter...

As in regards of Bless: i barely used it because it uses spell rune and I keep those for healing spells! In my previous playthrough everyone would keep getting killed, my cleric wouldn't do anything but heal until he ran out of actions.

I'm afraid I'm gonna have issues adapting to this new "vision" of Baldur's Gate. I don't know much about 5th edition, I barely had knowledge of 2nd edition years ago but it worked in previous games, even if they didn't emulate D&D to such degree.

To be honest I play mostly for the story and exploring... But then again I liked my adventures in Faerun from 20 years ago and I don't want to be cut off because out of the blue they decided to emulate D&D that much.

Are there any chances that they will implement an option to change the difficulty or simply remove most of the 5E rules out of combat, in the future iversions of this game?

If it is as you guys state it is, I most likely will not adapt to play this game well combat-wise. But I wanna get through the game just for the story.

So you want to be a cleric?

The problems you have are:
1. You are a human
2. You have 11 dex / 9 str / 16 cha
3. You are a life cleric
4. You are playing a cleric wrong
5. You are ignoring the most important tactic in the game.

1. You are a human. Technically there is no reason a human can't be a good cleric, but it is not beginner friendly compared to half-wood elf, wood elf, or dwarf; the reason being darkvision. One of the reasons you get 40% chance to hit is because your targets are in shadow which happens all the time playing as a human. There are ways to illuminate the target such as the Dancing Lights spell, or torches, but it is definitely harder on beginners.

2. Your stat spread is bad. Cleric's have one damage cantrip (Sacred Flame) and it sucks. They need to be able to dish out physical damage to conserve their spell slots. So you need to either pick dex or str and get it to a minimum of 14 and a recommended 16 if you can. This will greatly increase your chance to hit with bows (dex) or maces (str).

Keep in mind, that if you are wearing medium armor you will want 14 dex to make yourself as difficult to kill as possible.

3. You are a life cleric. Life cleric's are the worst clerics in BG3 (currently) by a large margin. If you want a noticeable power increase play a Light cleric. You get the exact same spells as Life and you can do some serious magic damage as well as be much harder to kill.

4. You are playing a cleric wrong. You should not be focusing on healing EVER. You should keep Healing Word on your spellbar as an emergency bonus heal only to be used if a character is going to otherwise die. You should be using potions, food and resting to keep other player's health up. Your spell slots should be saved for using Bless, and Guiding Bolt / Inflict Wounds when you have advantage. Sometimes, utility spells like Hold Person and Silence are worth it, if the situation calls for it, but not healing. Shield of Faith is situationally powerful, but I find that a cleric has to cast Guidance so often in this game that it conflicts with Shield of Faith's concentration.

5. You are ignoring the most important tactic in the game: Advantage. Advantage allows you to roll twice and take the better outcome (which equals around 15-20% increase chance to hit). Every attack you make should be focused on gaining you advantage. If your melee, you want to always position behind a target to gain advantage, if your range you always want to find high ground to gain advantage. Spells like Guiding Bolt that gives advantage to your next companion.


If you want a quick character build, make a wood elf, Light cleric with 10 str / 16 dex / 14 con / 8 int / 16 wis / 10 cha. As soon as you meet Lae'zel switch armor with her. For weapons look for a longbow / light crossbow and a shortsword + shield and you're set for the rest of the game.

On high ground you will average 90% chance to hit with your range weapon and about the same with Guiding Bolt. In melee you get the same chance to hit if you get behind your target with you weapon or with Inflict Wounds. With Lae'zel's armor + shield you will have 19 AC, and with Warding Flare you will rarely take damage so you can easily keep up Bless to boost your team's chance to hit further.

With Light Cleric you also get a suite of other damage options like Scorching Ray, Burning Hands, and Radiance of the Dawn to use to kill multiple targets.
Última edición por Indure; 3 DIC 2020 a las 1:35 p. m.
Arlen 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:45 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Cedric:
Hello,

This will be a rant because I feel powerless to even try to play this game for the 3rd time now.

So my main is a cleric. My only offensive skill misses ALL THE time. My character gets oneshotted by essentially everything.

I went through hell to get to Act I. Most of the fights were stupiditly hard, all my casters were constantly missing and getting killed in one or two hits (somehow enemies almost never miss, what a surprise!).

Okay, so there was a soft reset after Patch 1. I restarted the game, my main is obviously a cleric again. First fight of the Prologue: 2-shotted by a stupid brain... I was running around, healing myself with my only two heal spells I have, which obviously require a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ spell rune (why can't cleric have a basic heal cantrip?!) and spaming that one and only offensive spell which - guess what - missed every single time and shoving the enemy as much as I could. Eventually ran out of actions and died.

Second try on the abovementioned fight: oh yay, it's the same story all over again. Even though I've got max Wisdom my spells have less than 40% chance to hit (but somehow they never hit anyway).

HOW is this supposed to be FUN?

I'm sick and tired of this game. It's nothing like Baldur's Gate 1-2 or Icewind Dale, it's nothing like Divinity Sin 1 or 2, the combat is a FRUSTRATING mess. It's unplayable when your main is a cleric! Or any caster actually!

How do you guys manage to enjoy this absurd mess?

I don't even know what am I doing wrong. It's a first battle of the very first location; there's no way I built my character so wrong it dies right after a beginning sequence of the game, on the very first encounter! ALL THE TIME!

I had the same issues in my previous play; but I forced myself to continue and repeat every single fight 34234 times but it eventually became so frustrating I stopped playing. I thought Patch 3 was supposed to balance it somehow but this is even worse than before.

Please advise. I always main a healer in cRPGs (or a mage) and at times playing a healer, as a main character is bound to be harder than other specs, which I'm aware of, but Baldur's Gate 3 brought this to a completly different level... I just don't know how to proceed with this game. It was meant to be fun. It's not.
Anddd, someone who doesn't know how to play a Cleric.

what was your race, what was your domain, what was your stat array, did you use shield of faith, did you use potions, or your spell scrolls ( i know you get a necrotic touch from the tutorial) - Honestly speaking, playing a dwarven,elven or Gith Light Cleric is one of the better builds in the game, you can use certain martial weapons, can toggle active a reaction to impose disadvantage. there is so much more to being a cleric then just your "2" offensive spells.
Brimcon 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:50 p. m. 
Unlike the previous games, you can't just shove CHA into a character that has no real use for it, You don't need a 16 in CHA as a Cleric. Clerics are very rarely the Face (As in the Charisma, talker character) Yes I get you want to have your main character be the face, but shafting your physical stats (Dex, Strength) Will only give you a hard time.

This is NOT 2e anymore. If you are going to be a cleric, you must choose between being more caster focused or more Melee focused. As a Life Cleric, you will actually be in Melee range more often than not.

"Spell Rune" Is however, incorrect, It is called Spell Slot. You can cast 2 Spells at level 1 per day.
Draconiya 3 DIC 2020 a las 12:59 p. m. 
Publicado originalmente por Ankaros:
Umm... Cleric is a suppport. This class shouldn't be strong in combat to begin with. Even though that class has inflict wounds and guiding bolt spells, it's still a support class (don't forget that even if you have a lot of wisdom, enemies can have a lot of it too) That's why you need to debuff enemies with bane and hex and buff yourself with bless and guidance.
Your basic spell - sacred flame - is bad. Everywhere. On PnP and in this game. It's supposed to be bad. Treat it as a "well, the enemies are far and no one need buffs, let's do this at least"
Clerics can do pretty much anything in 5e, they are in no way purely support.
Life clerics are support-focused. Trickery clerics are pseudo-rogues with social and stealthy spells, and are best to focus on staying back, outsmarting the enemy with clever use of disabling spells, and delaing damage. Tempest and War clerics are juggernaut damage dealers. Light clerics are fire-based blasters. Knowledge clerics are pseudo-wizards with utility spells and information gathering who shine out of combat rather than in it, but are good at CC. Nature clerics are pseudo-druids with a good mix of tankiness and crowd control, on top of the base cleric kit, which thanks to spell preparation is insanely versatile to begin with.
Any cleric can heal, buff, then turn around and blow up an enemy, as long as you play them right.

Clerics don't have Hex btw.
And you can only have one buff up thanks to Concentration, so cast Bless and then start slinging Guiding Bolts, Inflict some Wounds and heal only to revive unconscious party members.
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