Why do we need 2 kinds of drow?

[Archform]

There is really only one type of relevant drow and that is the Lolith-sworn.
Rich background, rich culture, unique items. Where as the other one is just there to fight against the Lolith-sworn?

Seems a bit tacked on. I would suggest Larian take it out and focus more on developing the Lolith-sworn.

[Steffan]

As a person who is eager to play a non-evil drow once this flower of a game fully blossoms, I am quite happy. I definitely do not want him to be locked with worshipping Lolth. Actually, I consider some kind of traumatized soul ready to go into a more grayish morality. For me, it is a roleplaying treat that needs to be tasted.

I might be wrong here but the way I will interpret it : 'Seldarine' drow is a drow who is not sworn to Lolth. A drow that chose to stray away from the mainstream drow religion of the Spider Queen. He/she does not necessarily have to be a follower of a particular god.

[Aldain]

...Everyone is debating the lore.

And I'm just here answering "For flavor"

[warrickbartley]

i would say the more choices and variety the better

[Glice]

Originally posted by Archform:

Nah, it just doesn't make sense to focus on anything other than lolith for drow.
Seems like a waste.

Yeah, the 2 hours it probably took to type some slightly different flavor text was such a waste.

[zenebatos1]

Originally posted by Malus:

Originally posted by Xzoviac:

Seems weird, the drow have white faces regardless of there skin

And you can play black humans

It wasnt anyone from WotC that said that. It doesnt even make sense.

Yeah it was a random smuck that did a Blog post about it, on how DnD was problematic because of the "Minorities" misrepresentations...(swear to god the mental gymnastics involved in this...)

It set the powder keg ablaze and off course sparked a whole debate about it, then some other Wanker brough back the "LotR Orcs are a misrepresentation of Indenginious and african tribes" argument, wich din't help whats however...

And then WotC exects where afraid of the backlash, wich was worsened with the whole BLM riots after that...

And the most comical of all of this?

The Dude who started this admotted to someone that he doesn't even like D&D or play any roleplaying games...

His litteral Hobby is to go into a fandom, find something that could be pushed as "Problematic and non-inclusive" and just go to town on it, watching the fandom explode from the inside and move on to the next...

And still WotC gave credance to this kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥...

[lindad7999]

Originally posted by zenebatos1:

The Eilestrea Drow is a thing that is in D&D...

And WotC try to push them cause of the whole Woke debacle of "Orcs and Dark Elfs are stands in for Black people and have them be an Evil Race is racist" that happened in February...

You are wrong do some research before spreading toxic opinions. Publication history Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition (1989–1999). Eilistraee was first detailed in Ed Greenwood's The Drow of the Underdark (1991). She was an option for another Drow deity made by Ed Greenwood the co-founder of D&D.

[lindad7999]

Originally posted by Zrinn:

What I find weird is that they decided to have the Drow as a race separate from the other elves, when (in 5e PHB) they are actually an elven subrace. Though I guess they did it that way to be able to then split it into the Lolth and Elliaestrae groups... still kind of a weird implementation imo

Actually the Elliaestra group have been around since 2nd edition.

[zenebatos1]

Originally posted by lindad7999:

Originally posted by zenebatos1:

The Eilestrea Drow is a thing that is in D&D...

And WotC try to push them cause of the whole Woke debacle of "Orcs and Dark Elfs are stands in for Black people and have them be an Evil Race is racist" that happened in February...

You are wrong do some research before spreading toxic opinions. Publication history Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd edition (1989–1999). Eilistraee was first detailed in Ed Greenwood's The Drow of the Underdark (1991). She was an option for another Drow deity made by Ed Greenwood the co-founder of D&D.

Try to read before telling others that they "are toxic"...

I never said that Eilistrea Drow where made by WotC to appeal to the Woke crowd, i specificaly said that it was ALLREADY a thing, that they existed in D&D.

But its only now that WotC are making them more proeminent to appease the Woke crowd, since the whole "Evil races= Minorities" BS

Before that they where not really pushed forward that much since the 90's.
And in the popular believe Drow=equal evil period, and it was always left at that since the end of 3.5.

There was maybe a passing note or paragraph about them in 4th Ed, but i can't honestly recall any of it...

And people who are "offended" and "triggered" by Orcs and Drows been "misrepresentations of minorities" won't give 2 ♥♥♥♥♥ about outdated material from a past edition from the 90's...

Also where the heck did you get that Greenwood was the Co-founder of D&D?...

He started working at TSR in 86, D&D was allready a thing BEFORE that(january of 74..., he did Co-create with Jeff Grub the Forgotten Realms settings cause TSR wanted a new setting to complet/replace the Dragonlance setting.

Maybe you are the one that should do research before spreading ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥?

[☸𝕵𝖔☸]

Originally posted by Jamoca:

because of Drizzt. You can blame him

Solaufein too I guess, he did not felt evil either.

[Steffan]

@zenebatos1

Let's leave all the discussions of political correctness and real life paralels.

Which would be a better story? Being evil because you are born evil? Or are you evil because of your own choices combined with bad upbringing?

D&D is all about making your own choices. Good or bad. A friend of mine even defended the idea why a demon can actually be redeemed. Of course, this is an exceptional example. And if you ask me, it will end with the self-destruction of the demon. But it sounds like a good story, doesn't it? Because it demonstrates the power of will, love and who knows what above one's nature. I am thinking of Bram Stoker's Dracula a bit as well.

I think I digressed too much. It is normal that things are changing. Characters and society evolve. PCs should have the freedom to decide their fates. If nothing ever changed and everything was predetermined... that will be quite boring.

[zenebatos1]

Originally posted by steffan8:

@zenebatos1

Let's leave all the discussions of political correctness and real life paralels.

Which would be a better story? Being evil because you are born evil? Or are you evil because of your own choices combined with bad upbringing?

D&D is all about making your own choices. Good or bad. A friend of mine even defended the idea why a demon can actually be redeemed. Of course, this is an exceptional example. And if you ask me, it will end with the self-destruction of the demon. But it sounds like a good story, doesn't it?

It is normal that things are changing. Characters and society evolve. If nothing ever changed and everything was predetermined... that will be quite boring.

I'm not saying the contrary.

I'm just pointing out that even in current D&D 5E rules Ellistrea Drow are not even part of the playable races.

You only have Drow as a player race, there is no distinctions

Here is how it is present in the Rules:

""Dark Elf (Drow)

Descended from an earlier subrace of elves, the drow were banished from the surface world for following the goddess Lolth down the path of evil. Now they have built their own civilization in the depths of the Underdark, patterned after the Way of Lolth. Also called dark elves, the drow have skin that resembles charcoal or obsidian, as well as stark white or pale yellow hair. They commonly have very pale eyes (so pale as to be mistaken for white) in shades of lilac, silver, pink, red, and blue. They tend to be smaller and thinner than most elves.

Drow adventurers are rare. Check with your Dungeon Master to see if you can play one.""

And i'm merely pointing out that its because of the latest Twitter Mob indignation that those Ellistrea Drow are resurfacing.

Now i do not say that it is a bad thing, more choices are always best.

It just that whats pisses me off is that WotC only brought back the Other flavor of Drows out of the drawers BECAUSE of the Twitter outrage, else they would not give a ♥♥♥♥ about it honestly.

[Steffan]

Originally posted by zenebatos1:

Originally posted by steffan8:

@zenebatos1

Let's leave all the discussions of political correctness and real life paralels.

Which would be a better story? Being evil because you are born evil? Or are you evil because of your own choices combined with bad upbringing?

D&D is all about making your own choices. Good or bad. A friend of mine even defended the idea why a demon can actually be redeemed. Of course, this is an exceptional example. And if you ask me, it will end with the self-destruction of the demon. But it sounds like a good story, doesn't it?

It is normal that things are changing. Characters and society evolve. If nothing ever changed and everything was predetermined... that will be quite boring.

I'm not saying the contrary.

I'm just pointing out that even in current D&D 5E rules Ellistrea Drow are not even part of the playable races.

You only have Drow as a player race, there is no distinctions

Here is how it is present in the Rules:

""Dark Elf (Drow)

Descended from an earlier subrace of elves, the drow were banished from the surface world for following the goddess Lolth down the path of evil. Now they have built their own civilization in the depths of the Underdark, patterned after the Way of Lolth. Also called dark elves, the drow have skin that resembles charcoal or obsidian, as well as stark white or pale yellow hair. They commonly have very pale eyes (so pale as to be mistaken for white) in shades of lilac, silver, pink, red, and blue. They tend to be smaller and thinner than most elves.

Drow adventurers are rare. Check with your Dungeon Master to see if you can play one.""

And i'm merely pointing out that its because of the latest Twitter Mob indignation that those Ellistrea Drow are resurfacing.

Now i do not say that it is a bad thing, more choices are always best.

It just that whats pisses me off is that WotC only brought back the Other flavor of Drows out of the drawers BECAUSE of the Twitter outrage, else they would not give a ♥♥♥♥ about it honestly.

Mind you, I have just read/ watched bits and pieces (I still want to be now and then surprised when actually playing the game) but there are different options for drows that follow Lolth than those who do not. I think this would actually be the more logical reason to split the drow. You see, a real-life DM may tell you "you do not follow Lolth and you can not have spider talking ability as you are not blessed by Lolth" and such kind of things. As it is a game, it needs to be programmed in advance. I am not sure if there will be encounters with drow priestesses who can distinguish between the blessed drows and the "heretics". It makes sense they split it that way for the purposes of programming. I think they also added civil wars between the various factions of drow and etc...

And yes, that tweet was a bit...hmmm... superficial ... (still searching for the right word :) ) Whoever made this tweet got lost in his/her metaphore. Shall we start comparing magic with nuclear technology? I would prefer to forget about that tweet altogether :) I do not think that resulted in a change of BG3. As far as drows are concerned, it was underway since Drizzt became so popular. Remember WotC want to be liked by their audience. If one idea is liked, they will start implementing it. They simply moved it one step further.

[zenebatos1]

Well at least now there will be a legitimate way to play a Drow, that is not necesarly a dyck (well Elves are always dycks imo but hey)

[alanc9]

Originally posted by zenebatos1:

It just that whats pisses me off is that WotC only brought back the Other flavor of Drows out of the drawers BECAUSE of the Twitter outrage, else they would not give a ♥♥♥♥ about it honestly.

Was there any FR event which should have erased all but Loth-sworn drow? If not, then they shouldn't have gone away in the first place. There's nothing wrong with WotC fixing something they broke.

[Steffan]

Originally posted by zenebatos1:

Well at least now there will be a legitimate way to play a Drow, that is not necesarly a dyck (well Elves are always dycks imo but hey)

Haha... I have been guilty of enhancing that stereotype as well in my pen and paper experience... which actually produced several memorable characters... I love elves. Again, I digress.