DOS3 or BG3

[Nikanuur]

I think the BG3 game should differentiate in terms of the atmosphere and graphics. Just saying. I think the risk of people geting oversaturated vs trying a new but risky approach is about the same. Hence why have a very similar third game instead of something fresh.
It's just an opinion. This can be ofc a gr8 game, idk. Your opinions and reactions are welcome.

[Nikanuur]

Originally posted by Finiks:

Originally posted by Krilla:

this is not a Baldur's Gate game but a fan mod for D:OS 2. I respect Larian but Wizards of the Coast messed up. This is not a Baldur's Gate game. Larian was a bad match from the get go. Obsidian would have been a way better choice. Hell, even Beamdog would have been better than this. Unfortunately, if your'e looking for an awesome infinity engine like Baldur's Gate game you won't find it here.

Greatly disappointed. The second they announced they're going turn based instead of RTwP i knew it this wasn't gonna turn out the way many of us would hope.

but isnt DnD turn based?
U know that GAME where Baldurs Gate came from?

I had battled with the pause system back in the day, but I've learned to like it. But this... This saying of yours... This is actually pretty darn good point :3

[Zelda'sSimp]

it's not DOS 3, doesn't have the same fun combat that DOS has, i can't comment on the other side of it, but to me this feels completely different from DOS game. It may share a similar look due to the engine, but that's it. but i am still learning about this whole D&D system, just going to have to get through the learning curve to this game is all.

[Braiven]

Originally posted by Nikanuur:

I think the BG3 game should differentiate in terms of the atmosphere and graphics. Just saying. I think the risk of people geting oversaturated vs trying a new but risky approach is about the same. Hence why have a very similar third game instead of something fresh.
It's just an opinion. This can be ofc a gr8 game, idk. Your opinions and reactions are welcome.

I agree with you completely. The spirit definitely changed, everything feels more flat and with way less depth but more colores and cartoonish. In other words... welcome to the Zoomer's world. It's still a good game, probably, but not just what we expected and probably wanted the most. I knew it wouldn't really become BG3, they just decided to take the name for the $ales. I doubt that they had the intention to create something epic. Just put out a 60€ early access and people will buy it because of the name.

[Nikanuur]

Originally posted by Braiven:

I agree with you completely. The spirit definitely changed, everything feels more flat and with way less depth but more colores and cartoonish. In other words... welcome to the Zoomer's world. It's still a good game, probably, but not just what we expected and probably wanted the most. I knew it wouldn't really become BG3, they just decided to take the name for the $ales. I doubt that they had the intention to create something epic. Just put out a 60€ early access and people will buy it because of the name.

I suppose it remains to us to learn programming then :3 Tbh I can only criticise or give respects, hoping that my voice will become one of the many that'll change the minds of devs in some new project in the future. And if the unicorns and teleporting red panda ninja wizards allow it, maybe a bit this one :3

[SpeKtre]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by Nikanuur:

Ok, ok. Good opinion.

not even an opinion, it IS the forgottem realm setting, and it IS the 5e ruleset, with modern graphics, its BG3.

hahahahaha no offence , your opinion is yours, but having D&D ruleset and name does not make it BG3 , it plays ,looks, feels exactly like DOS2 , did you even play the first 2 BGs? this really should have been named DOS3 , then an actual true representation of a Baldurs Gate game could be have been made. (with updated graphics and 5e D&D ruleset).

[Nikanuur]

Originally posted by Braiven:

I agree with you completely. The spirit definitely changed, everything feels more flat and with way less depth but more colores and cartoonish. In other words... welcome to the Zoomer's world. It's still a good game, probably, but not just what we expected and probably wanted the most. I knew it wouldn't really become BG3, they just decided to take the name for the $ales. I doubt that they had the intention to create something epic. Just put out a 60€ early access and people will buy it because of the name.

Flat you say. Hmm, that I was afraid of. Actually aren't all of the modern isometric western-style RPG's like this? Like... you can't touch them properly. Even though they seem so rich and awsome in most RPG regards.

[zero]

Originally posted by SpeKtre:

Originally posted by zero:

not even an opinion, it IS the forgottem realm setting, and it IS the 5e ruleset, with modern graphics, its BG3.

hahahahaha no offence , your opinion is yours, but having D&D ruleset and name does not make it BG3 , it plays ,looks, feels exactly like DOS2 , did you even play the first 2 BGs? this really should have been named DOS3 , then an actual true representation of a Baldurs Gate game could be have been made. (with updated graphics and 5e D&D ruleset).

i mean, it does, cause its Wizzy's IP and they decide its the third and how it gets made.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by SpeKtre:

having D&D ruleset and name does not make it BG3 , it plays ,looks, feels exactly like DOS2 , did you even play the first 2 BGs? this really should have been named DOS3 , then an actual true representation of a Baldurs Gate game could be have been made. (with updated graphics and 5e D&D ruleset).

You want sell this game as DOS3? That would be a huge rip off from dishonest people.

Firstly the evidences:
- Party Building, mainly D&D stuff, that's very far from Divinity system.
- Lore, a huge coherent D&D lore to pick into, history, stories, NPC, ton of enemies types. Zero link with Divinity lore.
- Combats mechanisms: D&D stuff, that's fully different from Divinity system.

Secondly dev already answered on some points, it's words, but still:
- Real links with BG1&2 story/stories and BG3 main story.
- Companions from BG1&2 will appear.

So what from DOS3? UI, origin system, controls, some aspect of sneak and stealth gameplay, probably shops with items with some random aspects.

Sorry but what's make it D&D is a lot more important than what make it DOS3. For the BG3 aspects, dev highlighted it was one of their major goal to setup links with BG2 (or BG1&2), through main story, NPC and companions.

[Phinx]

Originally posted by Nikanuur:

Originally posted by An Exotic Engram:

hey your finally awake .... pretty much all of the elder scrolls games have had the same start yet they are different?

Fair point. But please note actually pretty few game series were sucessfull as series. Most of the times sequel, that's "the same" tends to get somewhat boring. In movies. In games. In love life...
Oh wait, this is a different forum.
Anyway, kudos to Larian that DOS1 and DOS2, being very similar, are both gems of the RPG genre. I hope it'll be the same with DOS3. Gotchu there, hehe. Nah, I really meant BG3.

DOS 1 & 2 are actually very different. Most people don't acknowledge nor have any idea. From the extreme simplification of stats & leveling vs the first game.

Simplifying and limiting so many things in combat that forces it to become tedious & repetitive. While 2 introduced height. It changed and removed so many things. Which, imo was for the worse. And it didn't help balance the game anyway.

Character development, plot & writing isn't the strongest.

Balance issues. All the ridiculous ways to cheese & so many broken builds that can 1 turn solo the whole game (tactitian), some without lone wolf buff. Both were broken in many different ways.

[Nikanuur]

Originally posted by Dorok:

Though I've stated my problems with the engine - similar to something like Jim Carrey voicing over a dreadfull horror - I must agree with your point. The story, the D&D setting, lore make the most important part of the game. And it surely has the potential to be gr8. I just wish the Divinity engine had been revamped for this game to make it seem more solemn, deep, art-like tangible and less color-ish, lightning-ish and realistic.
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But thinking of it, heck, maybe it will be so! After game is out that is. Modders do a gr8 job reskining and reshading things.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by Nikanuur:

Originally posted by Dorok:

Though I've stated my problems with the engine - similar to something like Jim Carrey voicing over a dreadfull horror - I must agree with your point. The story, the D&D setting, lore make the most important part of the game. And it surely has the potential to be gr8. I just wish the Divinity engine had been revamped for this game to make it seem more solemn, deep, art-like tangible and less color-ish, lightning-ish and realistic.
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But thinking of it, heck, maybe it will be so! After game is out that is. Modders do a gr8 job reskining and reshading things.

Graphic style, ok that's a point I forgot. I didn't put a lot of care to it into video of BG3. But I think that BG2 and even BG1 was very colorful and with bright colors, at least in general. And if you think it's because of age or technology, it's not, you just need check Fallout 1 released a little bit before BG1. Where BG2 could be more dark sometimes, it was more for torture aspects, sometimes violence aspects, less for graphics if I remind well.

For me, what you seem ask looks more like a trend since, 10 or 15 years in RPG. Not sure, the point is I don't have any problem with DOS2 on that aspect, plus I don't like gray, dark and low color abuse. Last Epoch seems have tried and seriously failed, along EA they rework on it, more color, colors more bright, more light effects and light effects with colors, and it makes the game looking much better, for me.

For sure The Witcher 3 (The Witcher 1 as well), has different graphics style, more complex, perhaps more realistic. But is it mainly the style or the subjects. That something bothering me, perhaps more for landscape and sometimes towns, this lack o Fantasy, lack of imagination. If you remove the cadavers and the monsters, I could as well travel 1H and see better. The topic is difficult, in my opinion it also involves the different perspective, much closer for games as TW.

The BG3 aspect is something too, at least dev acknowledged they was aware of the importance of this aspect. For me there's a trend among players to put too much importance into IP locked inside strict barriers setup in the past. So I relativize this aspect, moreover BG3 is 100 years after BG2, plus it makes sense that the series is more on the area and the Baldur's Gate town than any party of heroes. For that the task looks difficult, but at least the dev try, so we will see.

[Morgan Freeman]

Originally posted by Nikanuur:

I think the BG3 game should differentiate in terms of the atmosphere and graphics. Just saying. I think the risk of people geting oversaturated vs trying a new but risky approach is about the same. Hence why have a very similar third game instead of something fresh.
It's just an opinion. This can be ofc a gr8 game, idk. Your opinions and reactions are welcome.

Stop being nostalgic.

It's BG3 because of it's setting, which will end up in... you guessed it... BG.

Stop crying about a legacy that doesn't exist, BG2's final late DLC ruined it already.

[Nikanuur]

Originally posted by Morgan Freeman:

Originally posted by Nikanuur:

I think the BG3 game should differentiate in terms of the atmosphere and graphics. Just saying. I think the risk of people geting oversaturated vs trying a new but risky approach is about the same. Hence why have a very similar third game instead of something fresh.
It's just an opinion. This can be ofc a gr8 game, idk. Your opinions and reactions are welcome.

Stop being nostalgic.

It's BG3 because of it's setting, which will end up in... you guessed it... BG.

Stop crying about a legacy that doesn't exist, BG2's final late DLC ruined it already.

You've no right to have such a nick talking like this. Also, no.

[Nikanuur]

Originally posted by Dorok:

Yes, we will see. I have hope for sure. And thank you for these inspirative thoughts. I also do see the attempts of the developers to steer the way you talk about.

[Dorok]

Originally posted by Nikanuur:

Originally posted by Dorok:

Yes, we will see. I have hope for sure. And thank you for these inspirative thoughts. I also do see the attempts of the developers to steer the way you talk about.

Yes, but to be fear I didn't read you well, I merged your thread and your comments a bit too much with those arguing BG3 is DOS3.

I'm also concerned by having enough distance between DOS series and BG3. DOS1 is quite good and DOS2 even better, but still I don't want a D&D too much colored by DOS series.