Can Warlocks Summoning Demons in BG3

[Jablo]

Hey guys,

will the class be able to summon demons? or anything else summonable for this class?

[Morden]

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You get that different versions might have different page numbers? DM's guide, "Using each ability", section on Dexterity.

Your attempts at trolling are... rubbish.

Thats p 176-177 of PHB (and yes maybe I have an old version), and no -2AC there too.
even conditions like paralizis don't give you -2ac, they give advantage on attack rolls. You know, that 5E thing.

No trolling though, just rules lawyering.
Wanna go "rules say so" - here I am to show ppl that you are wrong.

[Cultural Duck]

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nowhere in the spell does it state that it's tricky footing.
That is you, as a dm, making that call and the only reason you would do it would be to punish the player for using that spell.

It doesn't say it isn't, either.

And, you're incorrect: asking for a dex check for this is perfectly fine. The player has introduced a difficulty (a circle you cannot break) into the play-area, and is presumably in combat and also focusing on not letting other creatures break said circle.

It also doesn't state that casting any other spell isn't tricky footing. That is a silly argument.

Also you can break the circle, the spell states itself:
As part of casting the spell, you can form a circle on the ground with the blood used as a material component. The circle is large enough to encompass your space. While the spell lasts, the summoned demon can’t cross the circle or harm it, and it can’t target anyone within it. Using the material component in this manner consumes it when the spell ends.

The word usage on the spell indicates that other people besides the warlock can hide in the circle and gain it's benefits. It only bares the summoned demon from crossing or harming anyone within it. The circle does not break if the warlock leaves it.

[Boink]

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Thats p 176-177 of PHB (and yes maybe I have an old version), and no -2AC there too.
even conditions like paralizis don't give you -2ac, they give advantage on attack rolls. You know, that 5E thing.

No trolling though, just rules lawyering.
Wanna go "rules say so" - here I am to show ppl that you are wrong.

Sigh. So, ok: you get to roll a dex check each round. Trust me: that's worse. I've already stated multiple times that -2AC (slow spell) is better than disadvantage.

Anyhow, some charming fellow has been flagging my posts to moderators, so I'm done here.


Warlocks, Xan's Guide to Angsty Teenage Males.

[Boink]

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It also doesn't state that casting any other spell isn't tricky footing. That is a silly argument.

Also you can break the circle, the spell states itself:
As part of casting the spell, you can form a circle on the ground with the blood used as a material component. The circle is large enough to encompass your space. While the spell lasts, the summoned demon can’t cross the circle or harm it, and it can’t target anyone within it. Using the material component in this manner consumes it when the spell ends.

The word usage on the spell indicates that other people besides the warlock can hide in the circle and gain it's benefits. It only bares the summoned demon from crossing or harming anyone within it. The circle does not break if the warlock leaves it.

1) No, personal space =/= more than just you

2) There's no mention if the circle breaks or not - but it's not something you can hop in and out of

2a) Summoning circles are breakable, that's kinda the inherent danger of them

3) This spell breaks the entire meta of five editions of D&D summoning


"I want my Fiend patron to be nice to me"

@OP

Yeah, probably a lot of Tiefling rule 34 in the character creation as well.

[RocketMan]

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nowhere in the spell does it state that it's tricky footing.
That is you, as a dm, making that call and the only reason you would do it would be to punish the player for using that spell.

It doesn't say it isn't, either.

And, you're incorrect: asking for a dex check for this is perfectly fine. The player has introduced a difficulty (a circle you cannot break) into the play-area, and is presumably in combat and also focusing on not letting other creatures break said circle.

No, you're incorrect.

Spells state when they make tricky footing, as seen in: spike growth.

"Spike Growth. The ground in a 20-foot radius centered on a point within range twists and sprouts hard spikes and thorns. The area becomes Difficult Terrain for the Duration. When a creature moves into or within the area, it takes 2d4 piercing damage for every 5 feet it travels."

Precedence.

Building onto that, you're also assuming a ♥♥♥♥ ton by adding to the rules when nothing is expressed. You're assuming nothing by reading the rules as is. Big difference there guy.

Have a good one, guy.

[Morden]

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Sigh. So, ok: you get to roll a dex check each round. Trust me: that's worse.

Anyhow, some charming fellow has been flagging my posts to moderators, so I'm done here.

1. No, you do not get to roll. Nothing in the rules make you do so. There are no tricky situations as by rules (unless you make circle on board of ship in storm or icy lake).
2. Ciao!
3. BTW nothing in RAW says that smb/smth can destroy circle. Blood evaporates and only magic is here to protect those, who stand inside.

[Boink]

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Don't hate us just because you're wrong and can't accept it.

You've changed stories several times by now as you claimed in the beginning that it was within the rules that warlocks got -2AC while within their blood circle from Summon Greater Demon.

Calling names is just petty at this point, don't be mad just because you dislike Xanathar and tried to lie about it.

Also I got flagged too, so don't throw the blame on us, I suspect with all the noise we're making that the moderators themselves are in here watching us.

No, I'm actually DMing a rules-lawyering player who wants their cake and demons to be nice to them.

"Lying"

No, the DM's answer is final.

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1. No, you do not get to roll. Nothing in the rules make you do so. There are no tricky situations as by rules (unless you make circle on board of ship in storm or icy lake).
2. Ciao!
3. BTW nothing in RAW says that smb/smth can destroy circle. Blood evaporates and only magic is here to protect those, who stand inside.

Wait.. so you can only ask for dex checks if it's ice *or* a ship *or* the examples given? Or if the spell explicitly says the magic words "This is a tricky situation"?

Go away.

[Morden]

Also - Xanathar himself not only canon, but he is Forgotten Realms canon - crime lord of Scullport! Go tell him you dont like his guide.

[Soft Lockpick]

A good DM is going to play a Fiend patron fiendishly. A fey patron as one of the faerie archetypes in literature, or at least something that could fit in. A Old Ones patron as insane, or impossible to understand because it sees you in 1 of it's 972 dimensions, or completely apathetic towards you because it's unaware you exist. Etc, etc.

If you want a patron that shows concern for you pick a patron that fits with. If you want to be made to feel important a fiend is not your guy. And if your fiend patron does try to make you feel valued and important you better turn around so you can stop that new hook about to slice into your back. He's manipulating you for some reason.

[Cultural Duck]

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Don't hate us just because you're wrong and can't accept it.

You've changed stories several times by now as you claimed in the beginning that it was within the rules that warlocks got -2AC while within their blood circle from Summon Greater Demon.

Calling names is just petty at this point, don't be mad just because you dislike Xanathar and tried to lie about it.

Also I got flagged too, so don't throw the blame on us, I suspect with all the noise we're making that the moderators themselves are in here watching us.

No, I'm actually DMing a rules-lawyering player who wants their cake and demons to be nice to them.

"Lying"

No, the DM's answer is final.

In YOUR game. This forum isn't your game, so no.

And

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1) No, personal space =/= more than just you

2) There's no mention if the circle breaks or not - but it's not something you can hop in and out of

2a) Summoning circles are breakable, that's kinda the inherent danger of them

3) This spell breaks the entire meta of five editions of D&D summoning


"I want my Fiend patron to be nice to me"

1) You can leave the circle and allow someone else to stand there.

2) If spells end because you leave the area, the rules state them.

2a) It's not a summoning circle, it's a protection circle. You do not need the blood to summon the demon, only to make the circle. This has been stated by Jeremy Crawford himself.

3) Summoning has always been handled differently from edition to edition. Also they're other editions, they do not apply.

And no, I do not want my fiend patron to be nice to me. I simply don't agree with a DM vs Player mentality.

[Morden]

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Wait.. so you can only ask for dex checks if it's ice *or* a ship *or* the examples given? Or if the spell explicitly says the magic words "This is a tricky situation"?

Go away.

Uh oh, actually no. My mistake. DM should ask for acrobatics chek if you want to accomplish something or balance...so no checks for just standing on ice.
And no AC penalties for failed cheks. Maybe you will fall (in the circle) if fail that check. Nothing serious.

And no, I wont go away, I am here to help. And you have already said goodbye. Why are you still here, not terrorising your players yet?
Maybe because no one want to play your campaigns, but we now know why.

[Boink]

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Also - Xanathar himself not only canon, but he is Forgotten Realms canon - crime lord of Scullport! Go tell him you dont like his guide.

"This campaign doesn't use Xan's"

Next question.

Let's introduce a spell that not only makes Demon summoning completely safe (you get an unbreakable circle for you & your friends), the Demons won't attack you even if you lose control of them *and* since there's no mention of 'tricky situation' the nasty monsters can't break it.

All for a 4th level spell slot.

Oh, wait: let's make Fiend Patrons (evil Outsiders) act like Celestials, but keep the tiefling aesthetic.

~

https://www.geeknative.com/96553/power-rangers-d-g-i-joe-transformers-and-my-little-pony-games-planned/

[RocketMan]

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Also - Xanathar himself not only canon, but he is Forgotten Realms canon - crime lord of Scullport! Go tell him you dont like his guide.

"This campaign doesn't use Xan's"

Next question.

Let's introduce a spell that not only makes Demon summoning completely safe (you get an unbreakable circle for you & your friends), the Demons won't attack you even if you lose control of them *and* since there's no mention of 'tricky situation' the nasty monsters can't break it.

All for a 4th level spell slot.

Oh, wait: let's make Fiend Patrons (evil Outsiders) act like Celestials, but keep the tiefling aesthetic.

~

https://www.geeknative.com/96553/power-rangers-d-g-i-joe-transformers-and-my-little-pony-games-planned/

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[Macros_Larian]

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