Safely Removing the Tadpole parasites...

[cadan1973]

Will safely removing the tadpole parasite creatures from the characters' brains be somehow possible in this game actually?

[UnholyDentist]

The process is supposed to be much shorter than what we see in BG3 for sure, Larian probably thought of that, and there will be one or more reasons for the prolonged period of transformation. Or maybe not, maybe it's just game logic.

[Rhawkas]

Автор сообщения: morrganstain

Автор сообщения: pandariuskairos

Just use a Wish spell.

Nope, that is outside the level cap of this game. ;)

Well, it'd probably work, but finding a level 17+ arcane caster willing to use such a spell on some nobody adventurer (which is what you are at levels 1-4) would probably take longer than the player character has.

Автор сообщения: Darhaksterion

I'm not that familiar with 5E. Would a "Remove disease" get rid of the little bugger? Or is a Heal spell required?

Well, "Remove Disease" seems to have been rolled into Lesser Restoration (a second level spell) and I don't think it'd work, mainly because it doesn't seem to be a disease.

Автор сообщения: 5E Player's Handbook

Lesser Restoration
You touch a creature and can end either one disease or one condition afflicting it. The condition can be blinded, deafened, paralyzed, or poisoned.

[Darhaksterion]

Автор сообщения: Rhawkas

Автор сообщения: morrganstain

Nope, that is outside the level cap of this game. ;)

Well, it'd probably work, but finding a level 17+ arcane caster willing to use such a spell on some nobody adventurer (which is what you are at levels 1-4) would probably take longer than the player character has.

Автор сообщения: Darhaksterion

I'm not that familiar with 5E. Would a "Remove disease" get rid of the little bugger? Or is a Heal spell required?

Well, "Remove Disease" seems to have been rolled into Lesser Restoration (a second level spell) and I don't think it'd work, mainly because it doesn't seem to be a disease.

Автор сообщения: 5E Player's Handbook

Lesser Restoration
You touch a creature and can end either one disease or one condition afflicting it. The condition can be blinded, deafened, paralyzed, or poisoned.

Ah, I tend to forget how magic got toned down in 5E :D

[Anthr]

Автор сообщения: UnholyDentist

The process is supposed to be much shorter than what we see in BG3 for sure, Larian probably thought of that, and there will be one or more reasons for the prolonged period of transformation. Or maybe not, maybe it's just game logic.

In the first trailer we saw a represantation of this happening like in seconds, therefore my speculation that something weird is going on with those tadpoles, it will be interesting if its some evolution of the mind flayer. We know they aren't as strong as they were, maybe this is some new way to mind control?

As a side note, can't a proper smack on the head squish it somehow? Although not sure how proper the smack should be, might be rather bad if you have your whole brain a mush.

[Darhaksterion]

Автор сообщения: Anthropomorphic Personification

Автор сообщения: UnholyDentist

The process is supposed to be much shorter than what we see in BG3 for sure, Larian probably thought of that, and there will be one or more reasons for the prolonged period of transformation. Or maybe not, maybe it's just game logic.

In the first trailer we saw a represantation of this happening like in seconds, therefore my speculation that something weird is going on with those tadpoles, it will be interesting if its some evolution of the mind flayer. We know they aren't as strong as they were, maybe this is some new way to mind control?

As a side note, can't a proper smack on the head squish it somehow? Although not sure how proper the smack should be, might be rather bad if you have your whole brain a mush.

Apparently it digs deep inside the hosts brain. No amount of whacking is gonna fix that XD

[Anthr]

Автор сообщения: Darhaksterion

Автор сообщения: Anthropomorphic Personification

In the first trailer we saw a represantation of this happening like in seconds, therefore my speculation that something weird is going on with those tadpoles, it will be interesting if its some evolution of the mind flayer. We know they aren't as strong as they were, maybe this is some new way to mind control?

As a side note, can't a proper smack on the head squish it somehow? Although not sure how proper the smack should be, might be rather bad if you have your whole brain a mush.

Apparently it digs deep inside the hosts brain. No amount of whacking is gonna fix that XD

Well, yeah, but consider how thight the brain sits in the skull, give it a little smackaruu, might squish it a bit, who knows... HAVE YOU TRIED? (asked the 8 int dwarf warrior angrily)

[Rhawkas]

Yeah, I think the only way whacking someone on the head would "fix" it is if you went above and beyond like Morrganstain quoted and just reduced the victim's entire head to paste and then used a resurrection, reincarnate, or true resurrection spell on them. Reincarnate would probably be the lowest level spell you could use, since it's a 5th level spell (druids get their first level 5 spell slot at level 9). Yeah, it changes your race, but it preserves your soul and you don't become a mind flayer, so it's still a win in my book. The question then becomes, what happens to a person's soul when ceremophosis occurs. Is it destroyed when the transformation occurs? Is it altered? Is does it just remain bound to the body it once possessed?

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Автор сообщения: Anthropomorphic Personification

Автор сообщения: UnholyDentist

The process is supposed to be much shorter than what we see in BG3 for sure, Larian probably thought of that, and there will be one or more reasons for the prolonged period of transformation. Or maybe not, maybe it's just game logic.

In the first trailer we saw a represantation of this happening like in seconds, therefore my speculation that something weird is going on with those tadpoles, it will be interesting if its some evolution of the mind flayer. We know they aren't as strong as they were, maybe this is some new way to mind control?

As a side note, can't a proper smack on the head squish it somehow? Although not sure how proper the smack should be, might be rather bad if you have your whole brain a mush.

Yes it can. The smack needs to be hard enough to crush the brain. This is why certain types of resurrection magic combined with crushing the victims head is listed as one of the "cures". ^^

[Anthr]

Автор сообщения: Rhawkas

Yeah, I think the only way whacking someone on the head would "fix" it is if you went above and beyond like Morrganstain quoted and just reduced the victim's entire head to paste and then used a resurrection, reincarnate, or true resurrection spell on them. Reincarnate would probably be the lowest level spell you could use, since it's a 5th level spell (druids get their first level 5 spell slot at level 9). Yeah, it changes your race, but it preserves your soul and you don't become a mind flayer, so it's still a win in my book. The question then becomes, what happens to a person's soul when ceremophosis occurs. Is it destroyed when the transformation occurs? Is it altered? Is does it just remain bound to the body it once possessed?

Heeyyyy, now we are talking! A mead for this guy!

No, I have another question, what becomes of the parasite if you cast a reincarnate on the host, will it be revived as well? I think it would, because its kinda part of your body now...

But you do get 10 points in my book! Or lets say I will give you an initiative roll!

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No I think the idea is that the tadpole doesnt get ressurrected as well because it is an invasive and separate lifeform. I mean if the method didnt work it would not be considered a cure for having a tadpole in your head now would it?

[Rhawkas]

Автор сообщения: Anthropomorphic Personification

Автор сообщения: Rhawkas

Yeah, I think the only way whacking someone on the head would "fix" it is if you went above and beyond like Morrganstain quoted and just reduced the victim's entire head to paste and then used a resurrection, reincarnate, or true resurrection spell on them. Reincarnate would probably be the lowest level spell you could use, since it's a 5th level spell (druids get their first level 5 spell slot at level 9). Yeah, it changes your race, but it preserves your soul and you don't become a mind flayer, so it's still a win in my book. The question then becomes, what happens to a person's soul when ceremophosis occurs. Is it destroyed when the transformation occurs? Is it altered? Is does it just remain bound to the body it once possessed?

Heeyyyy, now we are talking! A mead for this guy!

No, I have another question, what becomes of the parasite if you cast a reincarnate on the host, will it be revived as well? I think it would, because its kinda part of your body now...

But you do get 10 points in my book! Or lets say I will give you an initiative roll!

Автор сообщения: https://www.5esrd.com/spellcasting/all-spells/r/reincarnate/

Reincarnate
5th-level transmutation

Casting Time: 1 hour; Range: Touch; Components: V, S, M (rare oils and unguents worth at least 1,000 gp, which the spell consumes); Duration: Instantaneous

You touch a dead humanoid or a piece of a dead humanoid. Provided that the creature has been dead no longer than 10 days, the spell forms a new adult body for it and then calls the soul to enter that body.

If the target’s soul isn’t free or willing to do so, the spell fails.

The magic fashions a new body for the creature to inhabit, which likely causes the creature’s race to change. The GM rolls a d100 and consults the following table to determine what form the creature takes when restored to life, or the GM chooses a form.
d100 Race
1–04 Dragonborn
05–13 Dwarf, hill
14–21 Dwarf, mountain
22–25 Elf, dark
26–34 Elf, high
35–42 Elf, wood
43–46 Gnome, forest
47–52 Gnome, rock
53–56 Half-elf
57–60 Half-orc
61–68 Halfling, lightfoot
69–76 Halfling, stout
77–96 Human
97–00 Tiefling

The reincarnated creature recalls its former life and experiences. It retains the capabilities it had in its original form, except it exchanges its original race for the new one and changes its racial traits accordingly.

Well, since it require that you touch "a dead humanoid or a piece of a dead humanoid that has been dead no longer than 10 days", I'd say it just targets the victim. Also, even when the transformation is completed, mind flayers are still classified as "aberrations", so I don't think it'd work on them. I guess it would depend on if there's a point during the transformation that the victim and the parasite have become one, but are still technically a humanoid. But then you get back to the issue of souls. Does the parasite have a soul? If it does, does it merge with the victim's soul? How is the victim's soul affected by the transformation? All questions for the DM. XD Personally, I'd allow the victim to be saved in such a manner, but with some quirks left over from their horrific experience. Maybe mechanical, maybe just flavor. Would depend on how the player roleplayed things from that point on.

[Anthr]

Автор сообщения: morrganstain

No I think the idea is that the tadpole doesnt get ressurrected as well because it is an invasive and separate lifeform. I mean if the method didnt work it would not be considered a cure for having a tadpole in your head now would it?

Yeah I saw you post after submitting mine, I mean, I like to be right about the smackin, its the best possible solution I can think of that don't involve some high magics.

I was kinda confused, its weird how this thing actually works, it works like the Spinochordodes tellinii, which infests crickets, eating it from inside, actually changing its behaviour and making it drown itself once its ready to go outside and play. I am quite certain that this might be the influence.

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Автор сообщения: Anthropomorphic Personification

Автор сообщения: morrganstain

No I think the idea is that the tadpole doesnt get ressurrected as well because it is an invasive and separate lifeform. I mean if the method didnt work it would not be considered a cure for having a tadpole in your head now would it?

Yeah I saw you post after submitting mine, I mean, I like to be right about the smackin, its the best possible solution I can think of that don't involve some high magics.

I was kinda confused, its weird how this thing actually works, it works like the Spinochordodes tellinii, which infests crickets, eating it from inside, actually changing its behaviour and making it drown itself once its ready to go outside and play. I am quite certain that this might be the influence.

Yes, both the reproductive cycle of tentacle mosnters from the astral plane and magic can aptly be described as "weird". XD

[Don Kedik]

What if the PC had a ring of regeneration on before the tadpole was implanted? Could they just bash in their own brains and let the ring do the rest?

[Darhaksterion]

Автор сообщения: morrganstain

reproductive cycle of tentacle mosnters from the astral plane

This thread is going interesting places