Seriously: The Ranger

[Zaemon]

Guys, does anybody know if they are implementing the vanilla Ranger, or the upgraded, more balanced Ranger of DnD 5E? I mean PLEASE Larian, give us a Ranger that doesn't SUCK. Some people really love that class, but how can we prefer it, or even choose it having choices like the fighter? the pally? the rogue? the druid? we want to feel like Minsc!!!1

U.U

[Whoa it is I, Gill]

In the recent Rock Paper Shotgun video interview they didn't say what version of Ranger they're using, but they did say they're making changes to the class to make it more viable in a video game setting (they said something specific about favoured enemy and favoured terrain but I forget).

[Damashi The Kaotic]

Originally posted by Fanatical Devotion:

I know about those, but I'm looking for confirmation that the Baldur's Gate Ranger is based on WotC's improved ranger design.

Its already been confirmed. One of these articles should mention it. Not in mood to reread all of these.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/hv37iy/baldurs_gate_3_source_compilation/

[cyberlynx]

...I rather liked the Hunter subclass for ranger. not everyone plays/played a beastmaster. :/

[Cruel Revelation]

Originally posted by Damashi The Kaotic:

Originally posted by Fanatical Devotion:

I know about those, but I'm looking for confirmation that the Baldur's Gate Ranger is based on WotC's improved ranger design.

Its already been confirmed. One of these articles should mention it. Not in mood to reread all of these.

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldursGate3/comments/hv37iy/baldurs_gate_3_source_compilation/

Thanks!

Originally posted by cyberlynx:

...I rather liked the Hunter subclass for ranger. not everyone plays/played a beastmaster. :/

Well yeah, that's a given. Most of the rangers I see play Gloom Stalkers or Horizon Walkers.

[TrueWarlord真の武]

There is only one Ranger class, and it's the Ranger in the Player's Handbook.

The Unearthed Arcana Ranger will never become oficial, it was tested and it was proved not balanced. This UA ranger is nothing new, it was just a test, as anything in the Unearthed Arcana.

Some stuff that apear in the Unearthed Arcana do become oficial, but UA Ranger is not one of these things.

Anyway, the oficial Ranger class is awesome, it has very good combat potential and access to very good spells that most people don't even know how to use properly.

Rangers are one of the best archers (Samurai is officially the best one) with mathematical proof all over the internet.

It seems Larian is listening to fake news and disinformation.

[Hobocop]

Beastmaster Rangers are on a whole different level of suckage, completely failing to fulfill the fantasy of having an animal companion. Gloom Stalkers and Horizon Walkers not only having features as effective if not better than Hunters, but also getting extra spells known is just salt in the wound, really.

Non-subclass Ranger features outside of spellcasting and the spell-that's-actually-a-class-feature Hunter's Mark are pretty lame as well, especially for the level ranges we're going to see in this game.

[TrueWarlord真の武]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Beastmaster Rangers are on a whole different level of suckage, completely failing to fulfill the fantasy of having an animal companion. Gloom Stalkers and Horizon Walkers not only having features as effective if not better than Hunters, but also getting extra spells known is just salt in the wound, really.

Non-subclass Ranger features outside of spellcasting and the spell-that's-actually-a-class-feature Hunter's Mark are pretty lame as well, especially for the level ranges we're going to see in this game.

Lost count of how many campaigns I DMed with a Ranger in the group, and not a single one (with the exception of a BM, that indeed sucks) ever complained or feel underpowered.

Actually, the Ranger class was outperforming the fighters (champion) in many situations, both in and outside combat, but especially outside combat.

So, with the exception of BM, all this talk about Rangers bad performance compared with Fighters is a big fake news, and even after the nerf in the healing spirit this still holds true.

[Cruel Revelation]

Biggest issue with Beastmaster is the pet and how horribly it scales. It's too fragile, especially since you lose all your class features if it goes down. The Beasts of Air and Earth would really fix it, but then again why can't they just Errata in better scaling for the pet?

That being said, every other Beastmaster feature is fantastic

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by TrueWarlord真の武:

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Beastmaster Rangers are on a whole different level of suckage, completely failing to fulfill the fantasy of having an animal companion. Gloom Stalkers and Horizon Walkers not only having features as effective if not better than Hunters, but also getting extra spells known is just salt in the wound, really.

Non-subclass Ranger features outside of spellcasting and the spell-that's-actually-a-class-feature Hunter's Mark are pretty lame as well, especially for the level ranges we're going to see in this game.

Lost count of how many campaigns I DMed with a Ranger in the group, and not a single one (with the exception of a BM, that indeed sucks) ever complained or feel underpowered.

Actually, the Ranger class was outperforming the fighters (champion) in many situations, both in and outside combat, but especially outside combat.

So, with the exception of BM, all this talk about Rangers bad performance compared with Fighters is a big fake news, and even after the nerf in the healing spirit this still holds true.

Champion Fighters are the posterchild hit things with big stick archetype, oft regarded as simple and lackluster outside of critfishing, so that's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Especially when Battlemaster and Eldritch Knight exist right across the aisle.

Speaking of lackluster options: Arcane Archer.

Originally posted by Fanatical Devotion:

Biggest issue with Beastmaster is the pet and how horribly it scales. It's too fragile, especially since you lose all your class features if it goes down. The Beasts of Air and Earth would really fix it, but then again why can't they just Errata in better scaling for the pet?

That being said, every other Beastmaster feature is fantastic

Features we're sadly not likely to see within the level ranges in BG3. Well, except Paladins and Find Steed (if implemented) exist, so there's that. And even if the mount dies, they're still Paladins with all of their subclass features fully intact.

[Cruel Revelation]

I'd imagine we'll at least get Exceptional training, but what's the level cap for BG3?

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Fanatical Devotion:

I'd imagine we'll at least get Exceptional training, but what's the level cap for BG3?

Current target is level 10, but subject to change last I checked.

Exceptional Training is okay, but pretty sad for a 7th level subclass feature reliant on keeping wet tissue paper alive when the other subclasses get Multiattack Defense, etherealness once a round per rest, or straight up Wisdom save proficiency.

[Cruel Revelation]

Originally posted by Hobocop:

Originally posted by Fanatical Devotion:

I'd imagine we'll at least get Exceptional training, but what's the level cap for BG3?

Current target is level 10, but subject to change last I checked.

Exceptional Training is okay, but pretty sad for a 7th level subclass feature reliant on keeping wet tissue paper alive when the other subclasses get Multiattack Defense, etherealness once a round per rest, or straight up Wisdom save proficiency.

Bonus action to Disengage, Dash, and Help is good for wet tissue paper, and it makes your pet's attacks magical.

[Damashi The Kaotic]

Originally posted by Fanatical Devotion:

I'd imagine we'll at least get Exceptional training, but what's the level cap for BG3?

Unknown as of now. They said it depends on the amount of content that makes it into the final game.

[Cruel Revelation]

Originally posted by Damashi The Kaotic:

Originally posted by Fanatical Devotion:

I'd imagine we'll at least get Exceptional training, but what's the level cap for BG3?

Unknown as of now. They said it depends on the amount of content that makes it into the final game.

I'm guessing we'll know when the EA hits.