Larian have definitively sold-out and turned into a hack developer

[Turbo Nozomix]

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2020-02-27-baldurs-gate-3-interview

The choices that we made are ours. Why did we go for turn-based instead of real-time with pause? Because D&D to us is a turn-based game and we're really good - or we have become really good - with turn-based combat. So that, I think, is one of our strengths, and trying out real-time with pause for now, just because the originals were that? It's a big risk. Because the team would have to think completely differently, our combat would be completely different. And we didn't really feel good about that. Normally we do try out a lot. Normally we try out a lot before we make a decision, but with real-time with pause and turn-based we didn't, we just said "Okay it's just gonna be turn-based."

So, Larian is really just using the "Baldur's Gate" name as a husk to fill with a D&D D:OS2 clone, exclusively for the purpose of sales (that's what the "it's a big risk" remark refers to). It's a cash-grab.

BTW, TB games have on average been performing worse than RTwP games. And Larian's D:OS2 didn't come close to the amount of sales RTwP legend Dragon Age: Origins did. So, really, there is only a single big hit TB game while RTwP games are on average performing better.

Wasteland Remastered and Torment: Numenera tanked in sales and are unpopular. More people own Pillars of Eternity on Steam than own Wasteland 2 on Steam. When PoE 2 had TB added to it, its sales didn't improve at all and its Steam user rating didn't increase by even a single percentage-point. Pathfinder: Kingmaker is currently more popular than any TB game outside of Divinity: Original Sin 2. And Dragon Age: Origins (3.2 million copies sold in 3 months) greatly outsold Divinity: Original Sin 2 (1 million copies sold in 2.5 months).

So, TB games are not particularly popular and they have a higher failure-rate than RTwP games. It is only D:OS2 which has been a big hit in the TB genre.

Larian have become superstitious slaves in the wake of the success of D:OS2 and traded their integrity for the comfort and sales of an echo chamber of D:OS2 fans. So, there is literally no justification to using the "Baldur's Gate" name, when Larian's upcoming D&D RPG has as much in common with the Baldur's Gate series as


The definition of a Hack[www.dictionary.com]:

1. a person, as an artist or writer, who exploits, for money, his or her creative ability or training in the production of dull, unimaginative, and trite work; one who produces banal and mediocre work in the hope of gaining commercial success in the arts:
As a painter, he was little more than a hack.

2. a professional who renounces or surrenders individual independence, integrity, belief, etc., in return for money or other reward in the performance of a task normally thought of as involving a strong personal commitment:

Larian's "Baldur's Gate 3" has not even the faintest tiniest shred of relation to the Baldur's Gate series in character, experience, or gameplay and yet they're exploiting the name with a D:OS2 clone set in D&D for the purpose of the money doing so can make them. Larian have sold-out and literally become a hack developer for the sake of monetary gain.



At 3:35 in this video, Swen says that they chose to put the DOS formula in a game with the Baldur's Gate name because the BG name will increase their reach and hopefully result in Baldur's Gate fans playing Larian's DOS games:

https://youtu.be/kGnGOnzlC4s?t=214

... so, the chance to do that, and to bring what basically is our RPG identity to Baldur's Gate as a franchise was an opportunity too good to resist. And so, what it will do for us... uh, what we think it will do for us is it's going to show a larger segment of people, because I think Baldur's Gate 3 will reach more people than Divinity will have done... it will show a larger segment of the population what our RPGs feel like and hopefully bring them to play our other games also.

Larian's goal is to just make a DOS game under a more popular brand to boost the popularity of the DOS brand. Their next game after "BG3" is probably going to be "DOS3" (DOS4).

It is a cash-grab.

[Sogreth]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Originally posted by Sogreth:

And where was this? Because you said so?

There was a thread about it on the Larian forums. And when I checked the Steam thread about it, I saw you were banned here.

You just got caught lying and trying to project your own disgrace onto somebody else. That seems to happen a whole lot with you. Don't you ever feel as though you'd like to become a decent person?

Actually I got banned for bypassing the language filter LOL

Nowhere was there anything about me abusing a strawpoll. So nice try.

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by Sogreth:

Originally posted by Eisberg:

To everyone else, Turbo doesn't realize that cash grab is actually a derogatory word towards products that were purposely made to be low quality to save money to make as much profit it as possible. Asset flips and Digital Homicide games are a good example of this, so are movie sequels that were clearly made with a much lower budget than their first movie, these are all examples of what an actual cash grab is, and what everyone who are intelligent know what it means.

Don't worry. We all know about Turbo. He has lost all credibility long before this. I highly doubt anyone is really taking him very seriously.

You do realize, don't you, that you're talking to Eisberg, one of the most discredited people on the Steam forums, who spends their every day posting flame-bait on the Steam forums, who is called out by half of the Steam community for the ridiculous nonsense they post on a daily basis, and who gets in flame-wars everywhere they go in the Steam forums?

Just yesterday, Eisberg was claiming that the term "cash-grab" refers exclusively to movies that are low-quality, and not to anything else. Eisberg had no clue what the term "cash-grab" actually means and still is pretending to be dumb about their harsh correction yesterday about it because they're embarrassed and are a chonic troll, like you are.

[dulany67]

If I get a good game out of this, I have t ask why I should care?

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by zero:

im impressed at the reaches TC tries to make, they think that because they wanted to make a BG game, that suddenly its a cash grab? not how IP's work.

you can enjoy a setting and wish to give it due justice, which, judging by what they have discussed, and what they have shown, they are doing a good job of, we shall see in full, closer to release, im sure, but they appear to be making a good game, and doing justice to the BG series.

Well remember, a game that has everything about Baldur's Gate, but not in RTwP, has nothing to do with Baldur's Gate, according to Turbu. Because RTwP = Baldur's Gate, meaning that Baldur's Gate is only defined by its combat system and absolutely nothing else about it helps define Baldur's Gate. Nevermind the fact that for decades people only ever talked about Baldur's Gate for it's characters, storyline, choices you can make in the game, and rarely ever say anything about the combat, but nope, according to Turbo, it is ONLY the combat the defines Baldur's Gate.

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by Sogreth:

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

There was a thread about it on the Larian forums. And when I checked the Steam thread about it, I saw you were banned here.

You just got caught lying and trying to project your own disgrace onto somebody else. That seems to happen a whole lot with you. Don't you ever feel as though you'd like to become a decent person?

Actually I got banned for bypassing the language filter LOL

Nowhere was there anything about me abusing a strawpoll. So nice try.

You've been banned many times in this forum. I recall that one time it was for bypassing the language filter. Another time was for using a fake Steam account to bypass a ban you'd been giving. And whatever the ban was for when there was a thread on the Larian forums about you spamming a poll in favour of TB combat with fake votes, I have no clue. I hadn't been on the Steam forums for a bit at that point. I only checked them at that point and saw that you were banned again.

Valve couldn't care less about some poll somebody does. Why would they ban for that? You would have been banned for something you did on the Steam forums.

[Beardpick]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Larian chose the "BG3" they made. They could also have made a D&D game without using the BG name. But they chose to make a DOS2 clone in D&D and call it "BG3" despite it not having anything to do with the Baldur's Gate series. WotC could be cashing out too - that doesn't mean that Larian aren't. And as Swen said, they're using the Baldur's Gate name to market their style of RPG to more people - not the Baldur's Gate style of RPG.

You tried, and you failed. You tried again, and you failed again. Some people don't learn.

You really need to at least google the development of BG3 before you post; your ignorance is staggering, and you're just vomiting intentionally incorrect information at this point.

Mike Mearls: As far as working together goes, it’s a very collaborative process – in a lot of ways, our game design and storytelling cultures are very similar. So it felt like a seamless match, in the sense that as we started discussing the story for BG3, it was very similar to the approach that we use when building a tabletop product.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/baldurs-gate-3/larian-developer-interview

Mearls characterizes Baldur's Gate 3 as "part of the evolution of D&D [...] a very natural step. "This is a chance to get people who maybe don't have an interest in tabletop roleplaying, who are looking for something that's more just pure story. They don't necessarily want to immerse themselves in the rules. They can have a great experience that's very authentically D&D in terms of the puzzle solving and the storytelling without necessarily having to make the commitment of playing a tabletop game," he explains.
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/larian-studios-shares-its-vision-for-baldurs-gate-3-interview

Mike Mearls: One of the things that’s been nice is that [Baldur’s Gate 3 developer Larian and D&D steward Wizards of the Coast] have a very similar design culture. So there was one instance where, as we look at our character classes, we look at feedback we get in the tabletop space. There was one class we were working on at that got a lot of negative feedback, so I shot an email over to Nick [Pechenin, systems designer] about “Hey, we’re looking at making some changes, potentially playtesting some new material for this class in tabletop, just to let you guys know.” And he actually got back to me and said, “Hey for this class, actually that same exact issue has come up, and here’s what we’re looking at doing.” It was almost like we had already shared notes.
https://kotaku.com/the-ranger-class-is-getting-some-changes-in-d-d-and-ba-1835659585

Just so you know, Mike Mearls is the creative director for D&D at Wizards, and the lead designer on the 5th edition rule set.

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Oh, I know what a cash grab is, it's you that has no freakn clue what it is, I already embarrassed you before about this, big time, I am feeling merciful today.

Oh, by the way, products made to serve a purpose, are still products made primarily to make money. my company, we created a service that serves a purpose, and we did it to primarily make a profit, we are not a charity, we came up with this idea to make money, and it is a high quality service that is among the top in the industry.


To everyone else, Turbo doesn't realize that cash grab is actually a derogatory word towards products that were purposely made to be low quality to save money to make as much profit it as possible. Asset flips and Digital Homicide games are a good example of this, so are movie sequels that were clearly made with a much lower budget than their first movie, these are all examples of what an actual cash grab is, and what everyone who are intelligent know what it means.

Eisberg's tactic is to simply feign that reality is something completely different than what it is, and hope that by doing so people will assume their composure is reflective of the actual state of things. But, as I'm sure everyone who has seen enough of Eisberg's posts is aware, their self-presentation is a complete charade, being an utterly false presentation.

Here's Eisberg was just caught trying to claim that the term "cash-grab" didn't meant a faithless action done to secure easy money. Eisberg argued, using a far-from-absolute Urban Dictionary entry, that it only referred to low-quality movies.

Of course, Eisberg was only trying to weasel his way out of being caught in another blunder. And as frequently happens, it didn't work for him.


https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cash_grab

- (derogatory) A product designed primarily or solely with the intent of generating profits or money.

- An activity engaged in with the intention of making money quickly.


https://glosbe.com/en/en/cash%20grab

cash grab
Definitions

[noun] A product designed with the sole intent of generating profits

[noun] Legislation that serves primarily the purpose of generating revenue.

[noun] An activity engaged in with the intention of making money quickly.

[noun] The money generated by a cash grab.


Literally, Larian using the Baldur's Gate name just to draw in fans of the series while not at all intending to deliver on any of the expectations the usage of the name conjures up, would be a cash grab. It appears to me that Larian's calling of their upcoming game "BG3" is a cash grab.


Eisberg had no clue what a cash grab is, and is now caught in a another hole of their own making having been proven wrong for the umpteenth about some crazy and absurd claim of theirs on the Steam forums.

[zero]

Originally posted by dulany67:

If I get a good game out of this, I have t ask why I should care?

got it in one, the #1 way of being a "cash grab" as tc desires? make a good game, the reason why i bought all 3 dark souls? they all were very good games!

baldurs gate is a great series, it has interesting worldbuilding, both in part due to my enjoyment of FR, but the events of the games themself are interesting, and personally, from what was shown in the reveal, the written events are thought out, and the combat flows well

i may not be the biggest fan of 5e, but my issues with it probably will not come into play, and judging by what they have shown, thats a good thing, ill obviously wait till i see more for a final judgement, but so far so good.

[WolfEisberg]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Just yesterday, Eisberg was claiming that the term "cash-grab" refers exclusively to movies that are low-quality, and not to anything else.

oh, look, he is completely lying about me, not surprised one bit he would do that.

I actually used this definition

A scheme by companies to make poorly made product just for the purpose of making money

[Sogreth]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

I recall that one time it was for bypassing the language filter.

I can see my bans. You can't. I was banned twice for bypassing the language filter. And I did use (not a fake account) another account to post. I have two accounts *shrug*.

And there was never anything about me abusing a strawpoll. That was you little buddy. And if there was a thread in the Larian forums, it was probably you who made it. Why would I throw in like 250 votes for RTwP? There were several people who were watching that poll, and all of a sudden in about 20 mins it jumped up over 250 votes for RTwP. Yeah, that was totally me doing it.

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by Eisberg:

Originally posted by zero:

im impressed at the reaches TC tries to make, they think that because they wanted to make a BG game, that suddenly its a cash grab? not how IP's work.

you can enjoy a setting and wish to give it due justice, which, judging by what they have discussed, and what they have shown, they are doing a good job of, we shall see in full, closer to release, im sure, but they appear to be making a good game, and doing justice to the BG series.

Well remember, a game that has everything about Baldur's Gate, but not in RTwP, has nothing to do with Baldur's Gate, according to Turbu. Because RTwP = Baldur's Gate, meaning that Baldur's Gate is only defined by its combat system and absolutely nothing else about it helps define Baldur's Gate. Nevermind the fact that for decades people only ever talked about Baldur's Gate for it's characters, storyline, choices you can make in the game, and rarely ever say anything about the combat, but nope, according to Turbo, it is ONLY the combat the defines Baldur's Gate.

That's not true at all. If you'd read the OP, you'd be aware that I point out that no element of Larian's D&D DOS2 clone bears any semblance to a Baldur's Gate series game. I did not say it's exclusively the combat that makes it so. And it would be a stretch to say that Larian were doing a cash-grab simply because they're doing TB combat in a Baldur's Gate game.

No, it's everything about Larian's "BG3" combined that shows that Larian are makes a slightly-modified clone of their DOS2 formula, while marketing it under the Baldur's Gate game as a cash-grab, that shows that Larian's D&D game is not at all attempting to be faithful to the Baldur's Gate series.

[Sogreth]

Originally posted by Neiker:

Report this idiot for spreading false information and be done with it people, lol.

^^^^^

[Turbo Nozomix]

Originally posted by Beardpick:

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Larian chose the "BG3" they made. They could also have made a D&D game without using the BG name. But they chose to make a DOS2 clone in D&D and call it "BG3" despite it not having anything to do with the Baldur's Gate series. WotC could be cashing out too - that doesn't mean that Larian aren't. And as Swen said, they're using the Baldur's Gate name to market their style of RPG to more people - not the Baldur's Gate style of RPG.

You tried, and you failed. You tried again, and you failed again. Some people don't learn.

You really need to at least google the development of BG3 before you post; your ignorance is staggering, and you're just vomiting intentionally incorrect information at this point.

Mike Mearls: As far as working together goes, it’s a very collaborative process – in a lot of ways, our game design and storytelling cultures are very similar. So it felt like a seamless match, in the sense that as we started discussing the story for BG3, it was very similar to the approach that we use when building a tabletop product.
https://www.pcgamesn.com/baldurs-gate-3/larian-developer-interview

Mearls characterizes Baldur's Gate 3 as "part of the evolution of D&D [...] a very natural step. "This is a chance to get people who maybe don't have an interest in tabletop roleplaying, who are looking for something that's more just pure story. They don't necessarily want to immerse themselves in the rules. They can have a great experience that's very authentically D&D in terms of the puzzle solving and the storytelling without necessarily having to make the commitment of playing a tabletop game," he explains.
https://www.usgamer.net/articles/larian-studios-shares-its-vision-for-baldurs-gate-3-interview

Mike Mearls: One of the things that’s been nice is that [Baldur’s Gate 3 developer Larian and D&D steward Wizards of the Coast] have a very similar design culture. So there was one instance where, as we look at our character classes, we look at feedback we get in the tabletop space. There was one class we were working on at that got a lot of negative feedback, so I shot an email over to Nick [Pechenin, systems designer] about “Hey, we’re looking at making some changes, potentially playtesting some new material for this class in tabletop, just to let you guys know.” And he actually got back to me and said, “Hey for this class, actually that same exact issue has come up, and here’s what we’re looking at doing.” It was almost like we had already shared notes.
https://kotaku.com/the-ranger-class-is-getting-some-changes-in-d-d-and-ba-1835659585

Just do you know, Mike Mearls is the creative director for D&D at Wizards, and the lead designer on the 5th edition rule set.

Your ignorance of the post you posted that in response to is truly staggering. Literally, you did not write anything relevant to what I did. Larian are making a D&D game? Wow. You really uncovered some amazing information, there.

Making a D&D game doesn't equate making a Baldur's Gate game. As I said:

Larian chose the "BG3" they made. They could also have made a D&D game without using the BG name. But they chose to make a DOS2 clone in D&D and call it "BG3" despite it not having anything to do with the Baldur's Gate series. WotC could be cashing out too - that doesn't mean that Larian aren't. And as Swen said, they're using the Baldur's Gate name to market their style of RPG to more people - not the Baldur's Gate style of RPG.

You tried, and you failed. You tried again, and you failed again. Some people don't learn.

Maybe you'll actually read that post this time. Then again, considering your track-record, you probably won't. But it will make your next post just as staggeringly ignorant as the one you just made.

[zero]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

Making a D&D game doesn't equate making a Baldur's Gate game

true, BUT making a D&D game involing the events of baldurs gate 1 and 2, contuning the story (albeit in the future) does make it a BG game, that is how a sequel works!

[Beardpick]

Originally posted by Turbo Nozomix:

That's not true at all. If you'd read the OP, you'd be aware that I point out that no element of Larian's D&D DOS2 clone bears any semblance to a Baldur's Gate series game. I did not say it's exclusively the combat that makes it so. And it would be a stretch to say that Larian were doing a cash-grab simply because they're doing TB combat in a Baldur's Gate game.

No, it's everything about Larian's "BG3" combined that shows that Larian are makes a slightly-modified clone of their DOS2 formula, while marketing it under the Baldur's Gate game as a cash-grab, that shows that Larian's D&D game is not at all attempting to be faithful to the Baldur's Gate series.

The infinity engine is dead. 3d rendering game engines are used in modern games, it was never going to "look" like BG1/2. Games using the same engine look similar, Icewind Dale looks like Baldur's Gate since they are both infinity engine games. A game made in the DOS2 engine, is going to bear some resemblance to DOS2.

At heart, you are really just mad that the game isn't RTwP, because for you, Baldur's Gate as a franchise was just a vehicle for RTwP combat.