It is "funny" that original Baldur's Gate is suddenly a bad game now

[Blackened Halo]

I am just amazed how the things turned out to be. For many many years the BG series was a state of the art when it came to RPG. If you were browsing forums (even these days) about RPGs, you clearly noticed the BG series was always priced together with Planescape Torment as the best RPG of all times. Not only these games, but all the games from the golden DnD era on PC - Baldurs Gate, Icewind Dale, Neverwinter Nights or Planescape Torment, Star Wars: KotOR - were considered the best among CRPGs because of its complexity, battles, worlds and stories.

But now? Just over night after Larian showed their Baldur's Gate 3, all of that has just disappeared. Now I listen how bad those battles were, how BG actually wasnt a good DnD game, how this was bad, how that sucked....WTF?!

What the ♥♥♥♥ is this? Just a couple of years ago when Pillars of Eternity came out, players were thrilled that a new CRPG era had begun, they were so happy how close PoE was to the traditional BG-like experience. And now? Now it's just all gone? Now the BG style is bad all of a sudden?

After one, one video (which was pretty bad - Swen sucked a lot and later it even was boring) nothing of those kings of CRPGs has left but dust only because Larian Studios made a Baldur's Gate game which is a total opposite to the BG formula?

What the ♥♥♥♥ is happening all of a sudden?

[Gunslinger]

Easy the people that didnt like it just stayed away from them, now the people that dont like the new look of dnd and bg3 have moved in to the forums

[Mr_hanky]

Who is saying that?? Only thing people argue is that BG1+2 while undoubtly some all time classic games (personally i prefered PS:Torment) they had lot of design choices that in no way, shape or form should be transfered to a modern style D&D game.

Also most of those games were great despite the combat system, because lets face it Baldurs Gate was never praised because of the combat. And even to this day, RTwP still have a lot of the same issues as( like in POE and Pathfinder) they had back in the days.. While on the other hand DOS is widely regarded as the games with some of the best combat found in the rpg genre.

[Opossum]

I would not say its a bad game. I loved it, Still do but i will admit its aged poorly and not what i look for in a D&D game. I think a lot of this has to do with the fact BG was an introduction to D&D tabletop for me so i kept going with it and that became more how i saw the game and BG as simpley an adaption. I watched a video recently it was about 2 hrs but i think it states very well why the game just doesnt translate as well espically to new fans while also praising some of the things it did and what made it revolutionary for the time

I would reccomend a watch for anyone interested and with the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjWWuUDtSaE

[Blackened Halo]

Originally posted by Mr_hanky:

Who is saying that?? Only thing people argue is that BG1+2 while undoubtly some all time classic games (personally i prefered PS:Torment) they had lot of design choices that in no way, shape or form should be transfered to a modern style D&D game.

Also most of those games were great despite the combat system, because lets face it Baldurs Gate was never praised because of the combat. And even to this day, RTwP still have a lot of the same issues as( like in POE and Pathfinder) they had back in the days.. While on the other hand DOS is widely regarded as the games with some of the best combat found in the rpg genre.

BG was praised for its dynamic turn based combat :) It is not RTwP, because it is not a realtime combat. Realtime combat is in Diablo.

You know, if only all of that was just about combat, id never say a thing...but even you have to admit that yesterday's video showed a game much more similar to Divinity: Original Sin than BG

[Old Cat 🐱]

Indeed. It was state of art when no better games existed. It aged very poorly.

[Blackened Halo]

Originally posted by Tesla:

I would not say its a bad game. I loved it, Still do but i will admit its aged poorly and not what i look for in a D&D game. I think a lot of this has to do with the fact BG was an introduction to D&D tabletop for me so i kept going with it and that became more how i saw the game and BG as simpley an adaption. I watched a video recently it was about 2 hrs but i think it states very well why the game just doesnt translate as well espically to new fans while also praising some of the things it did and what made it revolutionary for the time

I would reccomend a watch for anyone interested and with the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjWWuUDtSaE

BG1? Yes, but BG2 is with NWN2 the best RPGs ever made and no modern RPG can reach their heights

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Blackened Halo:

Originally posted by Mr_hanky:

Who is saying that?? Only thing people argue is that BG1+2 while undoubtly some all time classic games (personally i prefered PS:Torment) they had lot of design choices that in no way, shape or form should be transfered to a modern style D&D game.

Also most of those games were great despite the combat system, because lets face it Baldurs Gate was never praised because of the combat. And even to this day, RTwP still have a lot of the same issues as( like in POE and Pathfinder) they had back in the days.. While on the other hand DOS is widely regarded as the games with some of the best combat found in the rpg genre.

BG was praised for its dynamic turn based combat :) It is not RTwP, because it is not a realtime combat. Realtime combat is in Diablo.

You know, if only all of that was just about combat, id never say a thing...but even you have to admit that yesterday's video showed a game much more similar to Divinity: Original Sin than BG

It showed a game closer to DnD 5th than Divinity as well

[Blackened Halo]

Originally posted by Gunslinger:

Originally posted by Blackened Halo:

BG was praised for its dynamic turn based combat :) It is not RTwP, because it is not a realtime combat. Realtime combat is in Diablo.

You know, if only all of that was just about combat, id never say a thing...but even you have to admit that yesterday's video showed a game much more similar to Divinity: Original Sin than BG

It showed a game closer to DnD 5th than Divinity as well

well, for example?

[FisTan]

Originally posted by Velimirius:

larian white knights need to justify this shambles somehow, BGEE puts it to shame being older and having more features than copy pasted DOS.

Frankly im not gonna praise Beamdog even in the expense of larian. At least Larian managed to do decent games, every addition Beamdog made into the game is worse than mods ive played. And those bastards made it impossible to buy the actual original versions from GoG. You have to purchase their ♥♥♥♥♥♥ editions for 4 times the price in order to access classic version.

[Gunslinger]

Originally posted by Blackened Halo:

Originally posted by Gunslinger:

It showed a game closer to DnD 5th than Divinity as well

well, for example?

Advantage disavantage, armor system, skill, class options, skill checks, needing rest for skill and spell reset, art styles match with DnD 5th artwork, character creating

[Schizm]

You know I'm reminded of a qoute for Planescape Torment arguably the best of the classic old cRPGs. "Best book you have ever played"

These games were not ever praised for there gameplay mechanics they were praised because of the incredibly deep and interesting stories and choices you could make from a role playing perspective. Thats what makes Baldurs Gate, Planescape, Neverwinter, and all these old cRPGs so memorable. The idea that it was the RTwP combat is not only nonsensical but a flat out fabrication created by a bunch of intellectually vapid nerds who refuse to move of from a nostalgic time they hold in high regards.

The game is going to be exceptional Larian know what they are doing, they have that classic mindset when it comes to writing and divergent quests, but modern sensibilities when it actually comes to gameplay. They are the best of both words and understand video games.

[Blackened Halo]

Originally posted by Gunslinger:

Originally posted by Blackened Halo:

well, for example?

Advantage disavantage, armor system, skill, class options, skill checks, needing rest for skill and spell reset, art styles match with DnD 5th artwork, character creating

Yea, but the game as a whole reminds much more of Divinity Original Sin than original Baldurs Gate and this why the hc BG fans are angry

[Kissa Ninja]

Originally posted by Old Cat 🐱:

Indeed. It was state of art when no better games existed. It aged very poorly.

what part aged poorly?
I still find it more enjoyable than any other fake rpg

[Blackened Halo]

Originally posted by Schizm:

You know I'm reminded of a qoute for Planescape Torment arguably the best of the classic old cRPGs. "Best book you have ever played"

These games were not ever praised for there gameplay mechanics they were praised because of the incredibly deep and interesting stories and choices you could make from a role playing perspective. Thats what makes Baldurs Gate, Planescape, Neverwinter, and all these old cRPGs so memorable. The idea that it was the RTwP combat is not only nonsensical but a flat out fabrication created by a bunch of intellectually vapid nerds who refuse to move of from a nostalgic time they hold in high regards.

The game is going to be exceptional Larian know what they are doing, they have that classic mindset when it comes to writing and divergent quests, but modern sensibilities when it actually comes to gameplay. They are the best of both words and understand video games.

You call it nostalgic, I call it Baldur's Gate. Why would I want a BG game to play and feel like Original Sin?

[Opossum]

Originally posted by Blackened Halo:

Originally posted by Tesla:

I would not say its a bad game. I loved it, Still do but i will admit its aged poorly and not what i look for in a D&D game. I think a lot of this has to do with the fact BG was an introduction to D&D tabletop for me so i kept going with it and that became more how i saw the game and BG as simpley an adaption. I watched a video recently it was about 2 hrs but i think it states very well why the game just doesnt translate as well espically to new fans while also praising some of the things it did and what made it revolutionary for the time

I would reccomend a watch for anyone interested and with the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjWWuUDtSaE

BG1? Yes, but BG2 is with NWN2 the best RPGs ever made and no modern RPG can reach their heights

BG2 while a huge improvement in every way i still consider dated. AD&D is a system most people dont enjoy now a days and is incredibly dated. Needlessly complicated and unfair use of certain things like instakill spells which are generally used at DM discression are freely used. I would say they these games are still my favorite D&D games they are not my favorite RPGs anymore and what im personally looking forward to is a better translation of the modern D&D ruleset.