BG3 - not good

[MONKWORKS]

I find this really disappointing.

I hope it works out. But i have played both POE1 & 2 thoroughly and i was not impressed at all to be honest. Its just the same old format republished. There is nothing new or innovative. I understand this new game may have some innovation but i am not sure these guys have the chops to pull this off. Maybe i will be wrong but with the current state of the gaming market and the greed we are seeing from the publishers this could be a disaster.

Its really a tipping -point for Dungeons & Dragons on the PC. I have not been thrilled or impressed by any new game in a long time. Innovations like Voxals and survival games have pushed the envelope slightly in terms of game innovation, but not by much. This game will likely not be an innovative game as they will not take that chance.

The obvious way they should go is to create a game that chariots some of the successful innovations. Think Minecraft and 7Days to Die in the D&D universe organically created with RNG. But that will never happen. No we will get a game that will pretend to be a sandbox, but will be on rails with Larians terrible story telling... Just my OP

Additionally WOTC has continually made the wrong decision with regards to pc GAMES. BG1 and 2 might have been successful but not in the eyes or level of a AAA publisher. Again, POE1 & 2 are just OK top-down RPG's. I repeat Just " OK " not great and certainly not innovative. We need to demand more!

[Coldhands]

Not sure if trolling, or crazy.

[AscendedViking7]

Your argument would work if Baldur's Gate was a sandbox instead of a hardcore RPG. :/

[MONKWORKS]

not a troll man. I am a game consumer and a massive D&D enthusiast

[Beardpick]

WTF does POE have to do with Baldur's Gate 3?

[MONKWORKS]

Originally posted by Beardpick:

WTF does POE have to do with Baldur's Gate 3?

POE 2 is the most recent example of this type of game ...not good

[Coldhands]

Originally posted by Beardpick:

WTF does POE have to do with Baldur's Gate 3?

Pillars of Eternity? It was specifically made as a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate and really kicked off this CRPG renaissance we've had going for the last 5 years.

[Coldhands]

Originally posted by MONKWORKS:

Originally posted by Beardpick:

WTF does POE have to do with Baldur's Gate 3?

POE 2 is the most recent example of their work...not good

Larian didn't make PoE2.

Also, PoE2 was great.

[MONKWORKS]

Originally posted by Coldhands:

Originally posted by MONKWORKS:

POE 2 is the most recent example of their work...not good

Larian didn't make PoE2.

Also, PoE2 was great.

no hey did not make that game, but its a recent example.
i disagree with this statement big time. do you own the game? I have a few hundred hours

[Beardpick]

Originally posted by Coldhands:

Originally posted by Beardpick:

WTF does POE have to do with Baldur's Gate 3?

Pillars of Eternity? It was specifically made as a spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate and really kicked off this CRPG renaissance we've had going for the last 5 years.

Right, I own PoE, but it's made by Obsidian, it's not based on any DnD ruleset, it has pretty much no connection to Baldur's Gate except the creators saying they wanted to make a game like Baldur's Gate.

[MONKWORKS]

regardless who made what (you are correct Bearpick) my point has gone sideways. I want innovation from whom ever has the D&D Rights. I don't want another top-down game or even a 3d game. I want an innovative sandbox world that useing some of the innovation we see in game like Minecraft, 7days to die for example. let me pop- the hood a little more on this statement. Top-down RPG's are a dead -end. No one wants that type of game again.. I am so sick of the top-town genre. I need something new to get me excited. If you have never played minecraft or 7days you wouldn't understand. No i am not talking about zombie attacks. 7days gift to innovation was its way of how the AI responds to you. It finds you and tries to give you a hard time. This would be a great feature for any D&D game. Enemies that actively hunt you. Let me build a castle and protect it with my adventuring gains. Let the Game world design its self organically with RNG. these things are not to hard too wish for these days?

[Beardpick]

Originally posted by MONKWORKS:

regardless who made what (you are correct Bearpick) my point has gone sideways. I want innovation from whom ever has the D&D Rights. I don't want another top-down game or even a 3d game. I want an innovative sandbox world that useing some of the innovation we see in game like Minecraft, 7days to die for example. let me pop- the hood a little more on this statement. Top-down RPG's are a dead -end. No one wants that type of game again.. I am so sick of the top-town genre. I need something new to get me excited. If you have never played minecraft or 7days you wouldn't understand. No i am not talking about zombie attacks. 7days gift to innovation was its way of how the AI responds to you. It finds you and tries to give you a hard time. This would be a great feature for any D&D game. Enemies that actively hunt you. Let me build a castle and protect it with my adventuring gains. Let the Game world design its self organically with RNG. these things are not to hard too wish for these days?

Yeah, most DnD and/or BG fans don't want an open world sandbox monstrosity. DnD is about adventures and storytelling, and the original BG series was an attempt to translate those features to the PC.

Leave the bland open world business to Bethesda, it has it's place, just not in DnD party-based RPG experience.

[Coldhands]

Originally posted by MONKWORKS:

Originally posted by Coldhands:

Larian didn't make PoE2.

Also, PoE2 was great.

no hey did not make that game, but its a recent example.
i disagree with this statement big time. do you own the game? I have a few hundred hours

Of course I do. I also have a few hundred hours.
PoE2 is the best CRPG I've played yet.

[Coldhands]

Originally posted by MONKWORKS:

regardless who made what (you are correct Bearpick) my point has gone sideways. I want innovation from whom ever has the D&D Rights. I don't want another top-down game or even a 3d game. I want an innovative sandbox world that useing some of the innovation we see in game like Minecraft, 7days to die for example. let me pop- the hood a little more on this statement. Top-down RPG's are a dead -end. No one wants that type of game again.. I am so sick of the top-town genre. I need something new to get me excited. If you have never played minecraft or 7days you wouldn't understand. No i am not talking about zombie attacks. 7days gift to innovation was its way of how the AI responds to you. It finds you and tries to give you a hard time. This would be a great feature for any D&D game. Enemies that actively hunt you. Let me build a castle and protect it with my adventuring gains. Let the Game world design its self organically with RNG. these things are not to hard too wish for these days?

That is fundamentally NOT the kind of game anybody coming to BG3 for a CRPG is going to want. While I don't want BG3 to just be a copy/paste of any other game, and I'm sure there are themes or elements of Minecraft and 7 Days to Die that might be implemented into a CRPG in some way, BG3 is still going to be a CRPG. And it SHOULD be a CRPG. I'm all for experimentation within the genre, but you're talking about making BG3 something else entirely.
You need to check another genre for what you're looking for.

[MONKWORKS]

Hey Beardpick. I still feel you're missing my point. But that would be my fault.
Storytelling . Is dead in the traditional sense. I have no time figuring out who stole the fruit from the fruit vendor in town. As an example side quest this is what you get. Now i'm sure you would not argue that the stories in Bg 1 & 2 are meaningful or rich experiences would you? really as a table-top gamer i find all of them rather disappointing. BG 1 &2, POE 1&2, divinity 1 &2, NWN 1&2 you think those are good stories? c' mon...i disagree wholeheartedly... no they were the closest thing we got as table-top games to the table experience so we took it. But Not good at all.

Bethesda again not a good example of a D&D organic experience. Its just a 3d mud.. There is no innovation here. Just the open world part. Why would any D&D enthesitis not like an open world? Thats the point of fantasy adventure. when you play tabletop it's an open world or trying to be...you admittedly want the rails. so we will not see eye to eye here.

maybe there are two types.

The gamers who want another top-down party based experience..and the D&D fanatics who want a true open world adventure.

[MONKWORKS]

Originally posted by Coldhands:

Originally posted by MONKWORKS:

regardless who made what (you are correct Bearpick) my point has gone sideways. I want innovation from whom ever has the D&D Rights. I don't want another top-down game or even a 3d game. I want an innovative sandbox world that useing some of the innovation we see in game like Minecraft, 7days to die for example. let me pop- the hood a little more on this statement. Top-down RPG's are a dead -end. No one wants that type of game again.. I am so sick of the top-town genre. I need something new to get me excited. If you have never played minecraft or 7days you wouldn't understand. No i am not talking about zombie attacks. 7days gift to innovation was its way of how the AI responds to you. It finds you and tries to give you a hard time. This would be a great feature for any D&D game. Enemies that actively hunt you. Let me build a castle and protect it with my adventuring gains. Let the Game world design its self organically with RNG. these things are not to hard too wish for these days?

That is fundamentally NOT the kind of game anybody coming to BG3 for a CRPG is going to want. While I don't want BG3 to just be a copy/paste of any other game, and I'm sure there are themes or elements of Minecraft and 7 Days to Die that might be implemented into a CRPG in some way, BG3 is still going to be a CRPG. And it SHOULD be a CRPG. I'm all for experimentation within the genre, but you're talking about making BG3 something else entirely.
You need to check another genre for what you're looking for.

your right there isn't one yet and in this type of market we will not see one for some time. That is really the hard part for me and why it's disappointing. maybe in future VR days we would see that. I am very protective of the D&D brand. I think its been run into the ground a lot and totally taken for granted. Do i really need to check back in 10 years to see if we have an exciting D&D game that pulls all of the great elements into a new type of experience that gets us closer to that dream we all have of seeing that world in our minds? That table top experience transformed...