Old Gods Rising

Old Gods Rising

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The ending is insanely stupid and makes absolutely no sense
Obviously, this is going to have spoilers. So, this is what we're meant to accept. This cult needed six keys to open a gate for the Old Ones and only found five, so they had one of their members become romantically involved with the main character because of his expertise. A main character that the game repeatedly informs you is absolutely crazy about trying to solve mysteries.

First off, I refuse to believe that he wouldn't have just done it had members of the cult simply asked him. Especially if they just paid him a little bit. At the very least, Lex could have just asked him and he wouldn't have said no. AND THEY DIDN'T EVEN TRY! There was absolutely no need for the entire fake movie schtick. It was a waste of time for literally nothing. Who skips "hey, let's just ask" and goes straight for, "let's fake a movie!"? Well, I guess the kind of people who can't solve a simple puzzle. Which leads to the second point.

This is where it goes from stupid to REALLY stupid. The thing the cult needed him to figure out was dead simple. "Take thing out of statue's hand, place it in slot nearby, and turn it." There's literally no reason they couldn't have figured that out. And that's all they needed him for?! Really?! The only thing standing in the way of them summoning the Old Ones is the fact that they couldn't read some text?

The main character was damn sure not the only person in the world who could read that. They could have put it on Reddit and gotten an answer. Or just asked a middle schooler to figure out the insanely easy puzzle to get the key. They could have gotten them to solve it by offering them some ice cream or something. The vast majority of the story is so insanely pointless that, even though the game is already extremely short, it feels like it wastes tons of time on nothing.
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Dehexed May 22, 2020 @ 9:04am 
Yeah, the story was terrible.

This is in actual fact just a virtual art exhibition masquerading as a video game, and in that respect it does a pretty good job.
mProkz May 22, 2020 @ 9:10am 
Isn't that kind of the point? Did the cult actually really need him to raise the old gods or did they want him so they could get his reaction for the film?
Last edited by mProkz; May 22, 2020 @ 9:15am
Originally posted by mProkz:
Isn't that kind of the point? Did the cult actually really need him to raise the old gods or did they want him so they could get his reaction for the film?

There was no movie. The Old Gods rose and humanity gets destroyed after. The movie thing was just playing off of a tired trope. We know that the supernatural stuff is real because Lex was with the cult.
mProkz May 22, 2020 @ 2:21pm 
Originally posted by The Ashman Cometh:
Originally posted by mProkz:
Isn't that kind of the point? Did the cult actually really need him to raise the old gods or did they want him so they could get his reaction for the film?

There was no movie. The Old Gods rose and humanity gets destroyed after. The movie thing was just playing off of a tired trope. We know that the supernatural stuff is real because Lex was with the cult.

How do you know there is no movie?
Originally posted by mProkz:
Originally posted by The Ashman Cometh:

There was no movie. The Old Gods rose and humanity gets destroyed after. The movie thing was just playing off of a tired trope. We know that the supernatural stuff is real because Lex was with the cult.

How do you know there is no movie?

Lex tells you that the movie was just a reason to get you there. And look. The Old Gods rise, so humanity dies. Why would they be shooting a movie and then destroy the world before releasing it? There'd be no way to release the movie.
mProkz May 22, 2020 @ 9:06pm 
Originally posted by The Ashman Cometh:
Originally posted by mProkz:

How do you know there is no movie?

Lex tells you that the movie was just a reason to get you there. And look. The Old Gods rise, so humanity dies. Why would they be shooting a movie and then destroy the world before releasing it? There'd be no way to release the movie.

Why does Kayfer say “...and cut! That’s it everybody!” at the end?
Originally posted by mProkz:
Originally posted by The Ashman Cometh:

Lex tells you that the movie was just a reason to get you there. And look. The Old Gods rise, so humanity dies. Why would they be shooting a movie and then destroy the world before releasing it? There'd be no way to release the movie.

Why does Kayfer say “...and cut! That’s it everybody!” at the end?

Isn't that just to add a layer of ambiguity? The whole thing is that you're not supposed to be sure if it's a movie or not. Plus, the weird echo on it has that air of "what's happening?" But, judging by basically everything else, I really don't see how it could be fake. To break it down:

1. Lex is in on it. She and Tom were together for years prior to the game. Would she really risk an entire long-term relationship to play a practical joke on her boyfriend who she knows is already having a crisis due to his gullibility? That would mean that someone contacted her and she agreed to be part of their big twist and she just stayed with him and acted like it was all normal. Something that she knew would turn him into an enormous laughingstock that would further ruin his entire life. It seems pretty impossible to me.

2. If you look at the architecture of the university, it's clearly an extremely old place. Places like that are protected, so you're not allowed to damage or modify them. Cthulhu movies are also typically more niche with lower budgets and it's insanely unlikely that a historical commission would allow a film crew to take a historical site apart and add fake things to it in order to make a single movie.

It would also be impossible for anyone to have excavated around the university like that in order to build the sets needed. All of that otherworldly ♥♥♥♥ was there before. That excavation would have required a large amount of work to be done over a period of years, plus the sites would need to be built too, which would require more planning and workers. All of that would have cost an insane amount of money, which there's no way in hell they could have afforded. Which leads me to point three.

3. Absolutely everybody would have known about this work. To the point where even a brief google search would have made it clear. Tom is very clearly meant to be seen as a smart man. Are we meant to believe that such a smart guy wouldn't even do a single search on the production work of the very movie that he was going out to advise for? He would have had to go in completely blank without doing the slightest hint of research.

And parts of the school itself were very much built in accordance with all of that weird stuff you find. In order for it to have been a movie and not real, they would have had to have built a fake university, somehow put fake history on the internet regarding it in case someone did a cursory web search, and then made sure that any and all local reporting and local discussion on the years of costly pre-production work that would have been a huge source of jobs for the area were non-existent. And after all that, Tom, an expert on architecture who can accurately guess how old a rock is by looking at it, would have to be completely fooled by a recently-built university and recently-built fake ancient ruins.

Looking at the information presented, it's simply impossible that it's all a sham. If it were to be, it would require a massive suspension of disbelief that would remove the events of the game from any basis of what we expect the world to be.

TLDR; the game is meant to constantly be ambiguous, but it's all definitely real. That last line is just a half-assed attempt to offer some evidence to the contrary once it seems the game has given you definitive information.

Krecik May 23, 2020 @ 4:38am 
Lex got money from director. Whole game was just a movie. Cult and cthulhu were fake - another live cthulhu statue before building had cables attached to it lol.
Dehexed May 23, 2020 @ 4:59am 
Originally posted by Krecik:
Lex got money from director. Whole game was just a movie. Cult and cthulhu were fake - another live cthulhu statue before building had cables attached to it lol.

If you think that was Cthulhu, you're not very familiar with the works of H.P. Lovecraft. That was just some generic many-eyed tentacle-monster. There is very little in this game that is "Lovecraftian", despite the tag some random user has applied to it. I don't think I saw a single mention of any of the "gods" of the Cthulhu Mythos.

The game might well be inspired by his works, but "Lovecraftian" it ain't.
iardis May 23, 2020 @ 6:38am 
Originally posted by Krecik:
Lex got money from director. Whole game was just a movie. Cult and cthulhu were fake - another live cthulhu statue before building had cables attached to it lol.
I felt the same. Lex might also have been a voice actor.

Anyways the movie theory doesn't fell right, either, with all of the ginormeous rooms and so on. Just way to big and elaborate.
mProkz May 23, 2020 @ 7:15am 
Originally posted by iardis:
Originally posted by Krecik:
Lex got money from director. Whole game was just a movie. Cult and cthulhu were fake - another live cthulhu statue before building had cables attached to it lol.
I felt the same. Lex might also have been a voice actor.

Anyways the movie theory doesn't fell right, either, with all of the ginormeous rooms and so on. Just way to big and elaborate.

I’m guessing many of you missed a lot of small details about the university then! I won’t say much more than that in case you go back to check things out in your own.
Krecik May 24, 2020 @ 8:22am 
I've found 2 sets of computers, where you can press Y to "disable node". No idea what it does however. Game is not popular so I cannot count on guide or anything.
Sorry for calling these tentacles a cthulhu. It was just a "mind shortcut". I've read few Lovecraft stories and got really bored by them. No climate at all. Movies and games based on Lovecraft are much better than Lovecraft himself. His work has no essence, they are just an empty shell. So cthulhu is more alive in mass media than in the original works.
Last edited by Krecik; May 24, 2020 @ 8:24am
Devilfish May 30, 2020 @ 4:25pm 
Friend, everything you said is kind of the POINT of the ending. It's called an ambiguous ending and it's something gamers often get very confused and angry about.

Oh and Krecik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8u8wZ0WvxI
Last edited by Devilfish; May 30, 2020 @ 4:26pm
mProkz May 31, 2020 @ 1:19pm 
Originally posted by Devilfish:
Friend, everything you said is kind of the POINT of the ending. It's called an ambiguous ending and it's something gamers often get very confused and angry about.

Oh and Krecik: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8u8wZ0WvxI

Exactly! :D
Gorgoroth Jun 4, 2020 @ 1:46am 
Originally posted by The Ashman Cometh:


2. If you look at the architecture of the university, it's clearly an extremely old place. .


Actually, its not. If you had explored a bit more, you would have seen that the entire school was fabricated. At one point Tom comes across fake stone pillars, walls, and bricks stacked near some tents and he makes a comment to himself about how much the fake stuff resembles the college. Little does he realize that everything is fake, storage bunker 2 proves this with the massive gears and the fake hologram. Kayfer clearly has a lot of money, but you should know this already because he was sued 62 times but settled out of court. Which means he paid people off. Also its mentioned he has a team of lawyers.

In another section of the game you see massive hollow rock sections outside of a gate off a pathway somewhere, which proves even the rocks surrounding the fake college are fake too. (including the stone pillars. which you see unfinished, unpainted ones off to the side. Its presumed lex helped create all of them since she is an expert in all of that. Clearly she was hired for this, which is totally something messed up Kayfer would do. In addition to the hallucinogenic gas I mention below. )

There are also several sections of the college where you can get behind the walls, or look behind them and see that the buildings are a movie set. Also the giant movie set-like electric garage doors throughout the fake college. And the camera drones, computer setups with camera systems, etc.

But back to what was in storage 2. The gears show that they really built all that complicated machinery just for the movie, and the fake hologram...well, did you read several notes throughout the game about a chemical? The chemical causes hallucinations, and you come in contact with the chemical several times in the game (did you notice he coughed sometimes?) Because of the chemical it was easier to trick Tom to believing in what he saw, and because what he sees is what we see, it makes you think everything is real. The holograms, monsters, etc look real when you're inhaling that gas. Even when you get behind the monster and see its connected to the computer, Tom asks himself whats making the eyes move if someone isn't operating it. Hint: Its the hallucinogenic gas. In fact, I'd argue most of the huge, real looking sections are 'enhanced' because of the gas, and you can't see them normally because thats where the gas is being pumped out.

All that may sound silly, but remember that the movie being made is through his eyes. As in, we are part of the movie being made while we play it.
Last edited by Gorgoroth; Jun 4, 2020 @ 2:25am
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