Miguel

[ExpletoryJoker]

Shouldmiguel be allowed to stay or let him answer for what he did, just a general consensus on what peoples thoughts are.

[[OTG] Aelirenn]

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My builder that I just finished the game on advocated letting him stay because she's been all about forgiveness throughout the whole game. I might go a different route next time, but I doubt it. Forgiveness really fits the theme of the game and the Church of Light.

[rsnn_csr]

I hope I have done this correctly. [/whatever]

[rsnn_csr]

I guess I didn't.

[Dimensional Traveler]

The real problem is that the spoiler tags do not block viewing the beginnings of the first post by hovering your cursor over the thread in the forum.

[yoru]

I'm actually fond of him, so I hoped he would stay. In fact I would've liked Pen to stay too LOL. I'm a sucker for characters who are bad but decide to change or feel remorse because they spent time with you etc.

[rinofwater]

I'm of the opinion that Miguel should stay and atone for what he's done. Idk, how many of us know a Miguel irl (whether we realize it or not)? The thought that you really can get through to someone that deeply buried in their grief and their scapegoats and their radical beliefs as a coping mechanism one day is comforting in a weird way, you know? The level of remorse we get from him isn't going to be enough for everyone considering the weight of everything he had a hand in against Sandrock, and I understand that, but I can't help but root for people to change and learn to do better over time, so for me personally, he's going to stay and get back to the basics of the Light with Burgess and work to make up for the harm he caused.

[milkygirl]

The thing is, based on information we find out when Yan goes bye-bye, keeping Miguel in town is actually the worse punishment, in my opinion.

The dude taking Yan away says Atara is into reformation of criminals, and that they spend their time helping others. Which for Yan, that's a fate worse than death. But for Miguel, that's a bread-and-butter part of what the Light is all about. Not to mention, he'd be doing good works for complete strangers, which would be easier than having to face the people you've wronged every single day if you have a hefty conscience like Miguel seems to by the end of his stay in the Sandrock jail.

Those are my thoughts, anyway.

[雅文]

I'm struggling to make a decision here for Miguel. I hated him immediately from the start because of his personality and how he carried himself. And I actually kinda liked Pen and would've preferred him to stay even though he a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ AND a Duvos knight. At least he doesn't hide his actions behind the "Light" like Miguel does. Miguel never actually takes responsibility for his own actions; all he says is that he thinks it was what's best for Sandrock and doesn't actually feel bad for what he did and he keeps justifying his actions by saying it's what he thought was best. He only feels bad for himself and him getting duped. Miguel is just incredibly unlikable to me and I don't know if he should leave forever or if I should let him stay in Sandrock. The only reason why I'm even thinking about letting him stay is for Burgess. He lost everyone he knew except for Dan-bi and I just feel so bad for him...

[Endora]

OH, for the love of... pls let him repent and atone. If you slap a forgiveness on his face like that, he will be feeling guilty for the rest of his life. He needs a conclusion, let him go for the charity work and he'll have a pourpose.

[khalleron]

I might have found it easier to forgive him if he hadn't had a GUN handy, Mr. Hypocrite.

[Sol]

Is there any missable content from telling them to take him to the funny farm?
Is there any positive reason to keep him around?

We all know a Miguel in the real world and you know what? Nobody owes them forgiveness! Rotten people who've given into delusion and pretend to be "of the light" - I know a LOT of people like this in the real world, and they all like the same candidate and follow the same pretend religion and act the same way, upholding the same delusions, it's like they're all carbon copy clones of each other - and Miguel is another one, except in a video game.

I am beyond sick of these people, so I was happy to get rid of him. If he wants to atone, he can do it somewhere else, the best thing he can do for the people he's hurt, is to be gone forever and never return or have his name spoken again.

[SimuLord]

In "Inferno", the lowest circle, next to the Devil himself, is reserved for the betrayers and the oath-breakers.

I tend to agree with Dante on that particular moral judgment and apply it to Miguel. People like him IRL are the lowest of the low.

[khalleron]

Well, I have to say that after playing the new update, I've completely changed my mind.

What happens if you keep Miguel around is pretty fantastic

[stormlightx]

I can't help thinking that with Matilda gone he has a real chance at reforming. She has been his friend for a long time and can be subtle in her machinations. With people like Burgess and my builder to help he could become a better person. On top of that, whether he deserves exile or not, prisoners, even semi-useful ones, are a drain on society. This is especially true in a smallish society like the Free States. Miguel is a competent mid level administrator, so it seems better to me to keep him where he can be of some use.