Having to pay for a mining pass

[Mutare]

I just dont think that the town builder should have to pay all these fees just to go gather materials.

[Mutare]

OK I get it, most of you are fine paying the fees. Call me a Browncoat then cause I don't want to pay the government the fee.

[Aerond]

Publicado originalmente por Mutare:

OK I get it, most of you are fine paying the fees. Call me a Browncoat then cause I don't want to pay the government the fee.

What?

Did it ever occur to you that you're just playing a video game?

[Mutare]

I never compared the game to RL. All I did was voice my thoughts on not wanting to pay a fee and why I do not want to pay a fee.

[Aerond]

Publicado originalmente por Mutare:

I never compared the game to RL. All I did was voice my thoughts on not wanting to pay a fee and why I do not want to pay a fee.

So, I assume you are running about, killing the local fauna, but paying a mining fee is where you draw the line?

[Mutare]

Why would you assume I am a bad person? I don't break the town laws, I don't cut down trees and only attack the critters when they attack me first.

[Aerond]

Publicado originalmente por Mutare:

Why would you assume I am a bad person? I don't break the town laws, I don't cut down trees and only attack the critters when they attack me first.

What? I only assumed you actually play the game, not roleplaying Law & Order or something...

[JustaGamer]

Publicado originalmente por Mutare:

Is this a cultural difference of opinions?

Nah, I just call it "main character syndrome". I do a,b,c so I'm entitled to x,y,z while being oblivious to any other things that's not directly about you.

Think about this example:

- I have a bunch of iron, but I don't know how to make a sword.
- You can make sword, but you have no iron.

That's why trade happens:

- You buy iron from me to make sword.
- I buy swords back from you.


In a barter system, I can give you the iron for free, but in return, you also need to give me the sword for free. This is technically not free, just bantering, but it still works. In this case, it would be the equivalent of you're not being charge a fee, but at the same time not being paid a commission for building "your" community.


What you suggest is, instead, you're taking my iron for free, while still CHARGE me for the sword. Because in your (petty) mind, you think it's because you're making a sword for me (hint: you're not, you're selling your sword), you are therefore entitled to my iron.


Also, I'm an Asian living in the West, I know neither culture has your mindset as a norm. But at the same times, it's also a mindset that exist in both culture among a small set of entitled people. If this mindset is a norm in "your" culture (whatever that is), please kindly inform me so I can actively avoid it.

[jariolipponen]

I'd prefer a monthly pass option myself. It's quite irritating having the weekly pass run out every time I need to 'pop down' to the mines.

[Mutare]

I am locked into the fee and rates with no chance for negotiation. If I wish to charge more, I can not. I simply wish an option to not have to pay anyone else for me digging thru a ruin and me fighting the bad things in the ruins.

[Dimensional Traveler]

Publicado originalmente por Mutare:

I am locked into the fee and rates with no chance for negotiation. If I wish to charge more, I can not. I simply wish an option to not have to pay anyone else for me digging thru a ruin and me fighting the bad things in the ruins.

Do you try to negotiate the entrance fees to parks? How about parking rates? What bills and fees do you routinely negotiate in the real world?

[Prywin]

Publicado originalmente por jariolipponen:

I'd prefer a monthly pass option myself. It's quite irritating having the weekly pass run out every time I need to 'pop down' to the mines.

I buy one of the mine pass the same day as i do the newspaper advertisement and wrote it in my calendar, because i forget the day very easly.

[TaylerBootz]

Publicado originalmente por Mutare:

I am locked into the fee and rates with no chance for negotiation. If I wish to charge more, I can not. I simply wish an option to not have to pay anyone else for me digging thru a ruin and me fighting the bad things in the ruins.

This statement is confusing. You want to negotiate a fee to use the mines, I get that. However that isn't how games work and to me it breaks the illusion of becoming part of the game world community. These games want you to feel like you a PART of the town.

As for fighting in the ruins, there is zero charge because you are doing the fighting.

You CAN negotiate price when putting up requests from the Civil Corps because you can say how much you want, and lower the price by letting them take longer to get the products. IF you have the right friendship/marriage perks, you can get more items or items sooner depending on the relationship perk.
For example, in Portia I am best friends with Arlo (also married in one file) and I often get my corps commissioned items days sooner than I would otherwise.

The majority of us don't mind the mine fee. It puts us IN the state of mind that we are IN the game world and part of something bigger than a bland, boring town. Yes, we are dong the digging. But to me and many others, that is fun - and we also get our relics that way. The fee is EASILY paid back in one day of digging, even on normal game speed.

Now if it was like, for example, Stardew Valley and we had to pay to go into the mines AND fight, that would be different. The ruins you get ore from are cleared by the corps in the game. (Also saying "pay the government" is not what you're doing. This isn't the real world.) Again the Hazardous ruins that you fight through are FREE to enter.

Also, later it all becomes fairly a mute point because you can pay a different fee and have ore delivered every day (in both games).

[Aerond]

Publicado originalmente por TaylerBootz:

Publicado originalmente por Mutare:

I am locked into the fee and rates with no chance for negotiation. If I wish to charge more, I can not. I simply wish an option to not have to pay anyone else for me digging thru a ruin and me fighting the bad things in the ruins.

This statement is confusing. You want to negotiate a fee to use the mines, I get that. However that isn't how games work and to me it breaks the illusion of becoming part of the game world community. These games want you to feel like you a PART of the town.

As for fighting in the ruins, there is zero charge because you are doing the fighting.

You CAN negotiate price when putting up requests from the Civil Corps because you can say how much you want, and lower the price by letting them take longer to get the products. IF you have the right friendship/marriage perks, you can get more items or items sooner depending on the relationship perk.
For example, in Portia I am best friends with Arlo (also married in one file) and I often get my corps commissioned items days sooner than I would otherwise.

The majority of us don't mind the mine fee. It puts us IN the state of mind that we are IN the game world and part of something bigger than a bland, boring town. Yes, we are dong the digging. But to me and many others, that is fun - and we also get our relics that way. The fee is EASILY paid back in one day of digging, even on normal game speed.

Now if it was like, for example, Stardew Valley and we had to pay to go into the mines AND fight, that would be different. The ruins you get ore from are cleared by the corps in the game. (Also saying "pay the government" is not what you're doing. This isn't the real world.) Again the Hazardous ruins that you fight through are FREE to enter.

Also, later it all becomes fairly a mute point because you can pay a different fee and have ore delivered every day (in both games).

Why are you guys over-complicating a simple game?

[slpc04]

However, you CAN'T negotiate commissions in which you make the bulk of your money other than selling goods. Neither can you raise your prices nor charge more, er, is that a thing for the builder? I guess not.

[Sunny]

Publicado originalmente por Aerond:

Why are you guys over-complicating a simple game?

There was no over-complicating going on in the post you quoted.