Marry Pen (Spoilers)

[mutantbeth]

Any chance they'll bring him back in like a future update or dlc so I can stay romanced to him? I know he's a war criminal and murderer but that don't make him a complete bad guy he's a soldier. I found the romance moments with him and his goodbye really sweet.

[嗨皮貓蜜]

+1

[Endora]

You got the reverse, he is a soldier because he is a bad guy. The way he mocks Logan while tolding him that he was the murderer of his father, and trying to do this with Logan too is not something like good-guy-do-bad-things-at-the-war, it's more bad-guys-do-this-at-war-thinking-they'll-got-free. And, since his personality is completelly narcisist, there is no way a redemtion arc could be plausible like it was with Miguel .

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by Endora:

You got the reverse, he is a soldier because he is a bad guy. The way he mocks Logan while tolding him that he was the murderer of his father, and trying to do this with Logan too is not something like good-guy-do-bad-things-at-the-war, it's more bad-guys-do-this-at-war-thinking-they'll-got-free. And, since his personality is completelly narcisist, there is no way a redemtion arc could be plausible like it was with Miguel .

i can fix him. Just give us that option please ♥ He was my favorite RO now hes gone. Didnt they bring back a character in portia that was meant to be dead or something

[Endora]

He sent you on a deadly (or so he though) trap using his tresure as a bait. And before you say that, I know he problably set that trap for anyone that could try to steal his treasure. But he sent you to a place full of strong (for him) enemies and that close the entrance so the person won't be able to flee - without a word about it. That's the definition of a trap and it cleary was not his intention that you could survive cause he didn't gave any word of advice.

And even after that you still think that he can be changed, I'll say that it's not that easy to change the base personality of anyone, even if that someone is open to changes. A narcisistic personality only thinks of themself, so he won't change for anyone else. The world is full of victims of abusive parents/partners that think they can change something and this ends on a police case.

[JustaGamer]

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

i can fix him. Just give us that option please ♥ He was my favorite RO now hes gone. Didnt they bring back a character in portia that was meant to be dead or something

It's not just about players but also the story. He directly murdered Logan's dad who were also a well respect townie, and "GLOATED" about it. Even assuming you can change his personality, you can't change his past deed. Given the length Logan went through to save and clear his dad name, there is no way the two of them can live in the same town.


Of course the writer can just "make it happen", but IMO that would feel really wishy washy and cheapen the emotional value of incident. The only acceptable way that Sandrock may accept Pen back would be something like a super heroic deed. Like ... stopping a Duvos airship bombarding the town and suffer grave injury for it. But that would be something on the scale of an entire main story arc.

[I'm scared of Toasters]

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

Originally posted by Endora:

You got the reverse, he is a soldier because he is a bad guy. The way he mocks Logan while tolding him that he was the murderer of his father, and trying to do this with Logan too is not something like good-guy-do-bad-things-at-the-war, it's more bad-guys-do-this-at-war-thinking-they'll-got-free. And, since his personality is completelly narcisist, there is no way a redemtion arc could be plausible like it was with Miguel .

i can fix him. Just give us that option please ♥ He was my favorite RO now hes gone. Didnt they bring back a character in portia that was meant to be dead or something

No you can't fix him. Get help

[Errapel]

My goodness, someone actually still wants Pen? Ok then....

I don't think Portia brought back a character who was thought to be dead (though they did walk back on Ginger automatically dying at a certain point and gave you the option to treat her and help her live longer). You could marry a guy who vanishes at the end (it's theorised he was the baddie, but no one, except perhaps the devs, knows for sure). He does not come back (even if you had two kids with the jerk)!

Maybe there will be a mod that allows you to bring him and others back (and honestly I do think there's more story, particularity with Matilda's fate), but I would be deeply surprised if he got brought back and you could have a happy ending with him.

The guy isn't a good guy doing some bad things for his country. As others have said he's a murderer. He gloats about it. He taunts the son of his victim while trying to murder him too. He didn't JUST kill Howlett. He condemned him to a slow, painful death. He's more than capable of killing quickly and cleanly. Who'd know if he was out in a ruin/wilderness? But nope, he chooses the cruellest option available. He also tries to get you killed with his last words (hilariously the monster didn't spawn for me, so I just walked in and picked up a chest with a really low tier item in it...). The only reason he doesn't murder people with his relic weapon during a cut-scene is Andy swipes its powerstone. .

To be fair (sorta?) there are people who write love letters to serial killers in prison, convinced that their love can magically fix them. Compared to that, wanting to 'fix' Pen is pretty tame.

Honestly though I DO get the allure of healing a damaged person and pulling them back towards redemption. I personally do not get feeling that way about Pen, but to each their own.

[I'm scared of Toasters]

Originally posted by Errapel:

My goodness, someone actually still wants Pen? Ok then....

I don't think Portia brought back a character who was thought to be dead (though they did walk back on Ginger automatically dying at a certain point and gave you the option to treat her and help her live longer). You could marry a guy who vanishes at the end (it's theorised he was the baddie, but no one, except perhaps the devs, knows for sure). He does not come back (even if you had two kids with the jerk)!

Maybe there will be a mod that allows you to bring him and others back (and honestly I do think there's more story, particularity with Matilda's fate), but I would be deeply surprised if he got brought back and you could have a happy ending with him.

The guy isn't a good guy doing some bad things for his country. As others have said he's a murderer. He gloats about it. He taunts the son of his victim while trying to murder him too. He didn't JUST kill Howlett. He condemned him to a slow, painful death. He's more than capable of killing quickly and cleanly. Who'd know if he was out in a ruin/wilderness? But nope, he chooses the cruellest option available. He also tries to get you killed with his last words (hilariously the monster didn't spawn for me, so I just walked in and picked up a chest with a really low tier item in it...). The only reason he doesn't murder people with his relic weapon during a cut-scene is Andy swipes its powerstone. .

To be fair (sorta?) there are people who write love letters to serial killers in prison, convinced that their love can magically fix them. Compared to that, wanting to 'fix' Pen is pretty tame.

Honestly though I DO get the allure of healing a damaged person and pulling them back towards redemption. I personally do not get feeling that way about Pen, but to each their own.

I'm a psychology major and you'd be surprised how often that "I can fix him" with prisoners happens. Thing is they can't, nobody can, not if the person doesn't want to change themselves just for the sake of it. And psychos rarely do.

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by Errapel:

My goodness, someone actually still wants Pen? Ok then....

I don't think Portia brought back a character who was thought to be dead (though they did walk back on Ginger automatically dying at a certain point and gave you the option to treat her and help her live longer). You could marry a guy who vanishes at the end (it's theorised he was the baddie, but no one, except perhaps the devs, knows for sure). He does not come back (even if you had two kids with the jerk)!

Maybe there will be a mod that allows you to bring him and others back (and honestly I do think there's more story, particularity with Matilda's fate), but I would be deeply surprised if he got brought back and you could have a happy ending with him.

The guy isn't a good guy doing some bad things for his country. As others have said he's a murderer. He gloats about it. He taunts the son of his victim while trying to murder him too. He didn't JUST kill Howlett. He condemned him to a slow, painful death. He's more than capable of killing quickly and cleanly. Who'd know if he was out in a ruin/wilderness? But nope, he chooses the cruellest option available. He also tries to get you killed with his last words (hilariously the monster didn't spawn for me, so I just walked in and picked up a chest with a really low tier item in it...). The only reason he doesn't murder people with his relic weapon during a cut-scene is Andy swipes its powerstone. .

To be fair (sorta?) there are people who write love letters to serial killers in prison, convinced that their love can magically fix them. Compared to that, wanting to 'fix' Pen is pretty tame.

Honestly though I DO get the allure of healing a damaged person and pulling them back towards redemption. I personally do not get feeling that way about Pen, but to each their own.

jeez youre making it more deep than it is I like him as a character and romance candidate and all im saying it would be nice somehow for him to come back. Theres a lot of different angles they could go about that. I dont need to bring up the mess that is fang but you get to romance him and solve all his problems with a hug soooo

[I'm scared of Toasters]

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

Originally posted by Errapel:

My goodness, someone actually still wants Pen? Ok then....

I don't think Portia brought back a character who was thought to be dead (though they did walk back on Ginger automatically dying at a certain point and gave you the option to treat her and help her live longer). You could marry a guy who vanishes at the end (it's theorised he was the baddie, but no one, except perhaps the devs, knows for sure). He does not come back (even if you had two kids with the jerk)!

Maybe there will be a mod that allows you to bring him and others back (and honestly I do think there's more story, particularity with Matilda's fate), but I would be deeply surprised if he got brought back and you could have a happy ending with him.

The guy isn't a good guy doing some bad things for his country. As others have said he's a murderer. He gloats about it. He taunts the son of his victim while trying to murder him too. He didn't JUST kill Howlett. He condemned him to a slow, painful death. He's more than capable of killing quickly and cleanly. Who'd know if he was out in a ruin/wilderness? But nope, he chooses the cruellest option available. He also tries to get you killed with his last words (hilariously the monster didn't spawn for me, so I just walked in and picked up a chest with a really low tier item in it...). The only reason he doesn't murder people with his relic weapon during a cut-scene is Andy swipes its powerstone. .

To be fair (sorta?) there are people who write love letters to serial killers in prison, convinced that their love can magically fix them. Compared to that, wanting to 'fix' Pen is pretty tame.

Honestly though I DO get the allure of healing a damaged person and pulling them back towards redemption. I personally do not get feeling that way about Pen, but to each their own.

jeez youre making it more deep than it is I like him as a character and romance candidate and all im saying it would be nice somehow for him to come back. Theres a lot of different angles they could go about that. I dont need to bring up the mess that is fang but you get to romance him and solve all his problems with a hug soooo

Fang didn't try to murder half the town us included tho. Bringing Pen back would ruin the story.

[mutantbeth]

Originally posted by I'm scared of toasters:

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

jeez youre making it more deep than it is I like him as a character and romance candidate and all im saying it would be nice somehow for him to come back. Theres a lot of different angles they could go about that. I dont need to bring up the mess that is fang but you get to romance him and solve all his problems with a hug soooo

Fang didn't try to murder half the town us included tho. Bringing Pen back would ruin the story.

its still a problematic storyline js. fingers crossed they bring pen back to sandrock thats all ♥

[Cutlass Jack]

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

i can fix him.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3085754948

[I'm scared of Toasters]

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

Originally posted by I'm scared of toasters:

Fang didn't try to murder half the town us included tho. Bringing Pen back would ruin the story.

its still a problematic storyline js. fingers crossed they bring pen back to sandrock thats all ♥

Considering most of us don't want him back, fingers crossed they don't.

[Rikku_Tribal]

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

Originally posted by mutantbeth:

i can fix him.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3085754948

Gosh I'm dying of laughter 😂😂😂

[Endora]

Originally posted by Rikku_Tribal:

Originally posted by Cutlass Jack:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3085754948

Gosh I'm dying of laughter 😂😂😂

The princess is delusional. Nobody can "fix" anyone.