How to get lots of manure and water for mass farming ?

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Burgess only allows me to buy ONE per day now, dunno why. Buying more after that is very costly, is it intended ?

And how do I get lots of manure ? It doesn't need stamina to gather it. I can get like 4 from Cooper's area. And a few more randomly in the area. But that's kinda time consuming, is there other way ?

[Sagittarius A*]

Heaven help you had you have to game before the days of internet.

[Melfix]

Yes, buying water is very costly, since the premise of the game is you are in an area where water is hard to come by, so the more water you buy, the costlier it is.

Water Collectors are your go to solution for water, but it can be a hassle collecting from multiple collectors, so I recommend about 20. Increase it when you get a helper that collects it automatically for you.

Another way for water is mining those rocks that drop dew. Get the skill that lowers the requirement to make water from 10 dew to 8.

One way to get manure is getting a Barn full of Yakmels. You can only put 4 but it'll be a steady supply since they make manure once a day. Bear in mind that you can only build one barn. Haven't tried building the Hutch, might be another source of manure.

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Originally posted by Sagittarius A*:

Heaven help you had you have to game before the days of internet.

Please, I'm sick of unrelated comments on steam forum, so something like this should just be kept to yourself.

[akebono90]

You can increase the amount of daily manure up to 16 per day by building not only the barn, but chicken coop and hutch too. Each floopy gives 1 manure per day, the capacity of the hutch is 5 animals. The same is with a hen/rooster (capacity is 6 animals).

[dataVi]

Animal pens are by far the easiest source, but by the time you can build them, shelling out 13g for 1 fertilizer is probably trivial. Until then, both Ants and yakmel drop manure. There are 5-6 more manure spawns in the area south of your farm. Cactus balls and cacti nearly always drop a dew. If you can adopt a pet, then you can send them to collect water.

I'd recommend taking a look at what truly you need to grow as most crops aren't worth your time/money. Having more than 1 of each tree is virtually useless. Mountain rose and rhino horn cactus are only used for gifting or commissions. Rose willow only helps the soil level faster so you don't have to keep laying down straw grids. Wheat is only used to make flour which costs 10 gols.

Originally posted by Melfix:

Water Collectors are your go to solution for water, but it can be a hassle collecting from multiple collectors, so I recommend about 20.

That just sounds masochistic to me, lol.

[mielon]

With water collectors don't bother with basic ones, they collect it way too slow. Once you can craft an iron pickhammer you can go down to the Valley of Whispers and harvest aluminium scrap for better ones even without protective suit, you will take damage but scrap is close to the entrance and you should have enough hp to havest 4-6 of them even without using healing items. Doing it every 2-3 days will give you an early start on the fastest way of aquiring water for free. 10-12 of those will give you enough water to self sustain yourself with farming.

[Melfix]

Originally posted by dataVi:

Originally posted by Melfix:

Water Collectors are your go to solution for water, but it can be a hassle collecting from multiple collectors, so I recommend about 20.

That just sounds masochistic to me, lol.

Believe me, I had 60 of the basic collectors before the Upgraded one got into the game. I think I wasted an hour and a half in-game time collecting from them all. Thank god a helper came from an update to auto collect from them all.

[SimuLord]

Originally posted by mielon:

With water collectors don't bother with basic ones, they collect it way too slow.

With the increased-efficiency perk and diligent collection (before 14:00), even regular dew collectors can give a pretty significant amount of water, 1 water per 2 collectors per day. Plus, when it rains (a rare occurrence but a golden opportunity to stockpile water), the more collectors you have, the more water you collect; you can end up with 1,000 units of water easy.

Super Dew Collectors give 1 water per collector per day, plus a bit extra that functionally makes them about 6% more effective over a 2-day cycle.

They're absolutely worth it, although it's possible to go a bit too crazy with them (I have 122 collectors total on my endgame farm and periodically sell a 999-unit water stack to Burgess...) and it gets time-consuming to collect.

[neo_crimson17]

Originally posted by SimuLord:

Originally posted by mielon:

With water collectors don't bother with basic ones, they collect it way too slow.

With the increased-efficiency perk and diligent collection (before 14:00), even regular dew collectors can give a pretty significant amount of water, 1 water per 2 collectors per day. Plus, when it rains (a rare occurrence but a golden opportunity to stockpile water), the more collectors you have, the more water you collect; you can end up with 1,000 units of water easy.

Super Dew Collectors give 1 water per collector per day, plus a bit extra that functionally makes them about 6% more effective over a 2-day cycle.

They're absolutely worth it, although it's possible to go a bit too crazy with them (I have 122 collectors total on my endgame farm and periodically sell a 999-unit water stack to Burgess...) and it gets time-consuming to collect.

Have you tried using the mirror robot's service? Hire him and he'll collect products that have been processed. He'll collect the dew for you as well. It'll be placed in the box in front of your house.

Side note: it's still amazing that Burgess still sells water even after the town basically got unlimited water. They even let it run off into the cliff (whatever happened to conserve water as their motto?).

[SimuLord]

Originally posted by neo_crimson17:

Originally posted by SimuLord:

With the increased-efficiency perk and diligent collection (before 14:00), even regular dew collectors can give a pretty significant amount of water, 1 water per 2 collectors per day. Plus, when it rains (a rare occurrence but a golden opportunity to stockpile water), the more collectors you have, the more water you collect; you can end up with 1,000 units of water easy.

Super Dew Collectors give 1 water per collector per day, plus a bit extra that functionally makes them about 6% more effective over a 2-day cycle.

They're absolutely worth it, although it's possible to go a bit too crazy with them (I have 122 collectors total on my endgame farm and periodically sell a 999-unit water stack to Burgess...) and it gets time-consuming to collect.

Have you tried using the mirror robot's service? Hire him and he'll collect products that have been processed. He'll collect the dew for you as well. It'll be placed in the box in front of your house.

Side note: it's still amazing that Burgess still sells water even after the town basically got unlimited water. They even let it run off into the cliff (whatever happened to conserve water as their motto?).

They have so much water now that it overflows the oasis and runs out as an actual river. They're getting (by Qi's reckoning in Act 3 compared against Miguel's accounting in Act 2) five times as much water as the whole town used to consume by itself.

It's probably for the best that water has a place to go, because otherwise it'd be My Time At Atlantis (or at least My Time At Venice) if the excess water flowed in the opposite direction!

Burgess still sells water at that point, but at a profoundly cheap price, presumably for the sorts of builders who are long on machines or thirsty farm plots and short on dew collectors.

Several characters say there's increased rainfall after the events of the lategame but I have so far yet to see my first post-change rain event (over the course of about half a season; I don't seriously expect it to rain as often as it did in Portia, but nothing at all? I was thinking the game would replace a sandstorm roll with a rainstorm roll on the "weather dice" and do it that way.)

I haven't yet tried hiring the robot yet. I probably should. I've maxed out relationship with the bucket of bolts (had to do a few dives through the Northern Spaceship Ruins to get the high-speed processors and motors that the mirror bot loves as gifts, but so worth it.)

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I just finished researching SUPER Dew Collector, so this thing is the best source of water after Burgess ? Nothing else, just depending on how many can fit in the yard, right ?

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But I cannot make it yet lol, need to progress further because the material is not available yet.

[dafonse]

Originally posted by Nintendo:

Originally posted by Sagittarius A*:

Heaven help you had you have to game before the days of internet.

Please, I'm sick of unrelated comments on steam forum, so something like this should just be kept to yourself.

If you dont like peoples opinion, then maybe forums arent for you.

[Heather]

Buy all the water on Saturdays and Sundays. Sunday the week starts over and water will be back to 25 units.

[123]

Originally posted by dafonse:

Originally posted by Nintendo:

Please, I'm sick of unrelated comments on steam forum, so something like this should just be kept to yourself.

If you dont like peoples opinion, then maybe forums arent for you.

Maybe it isn't for you, TOO ? Since you don't seem to like my opinion yourself.
When you point your index finger at me, your other fingers are pointing at yourself.

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See, that is why I said that in the first place, one thing leads to another. Don't you learn something throughout your visit on Steam discussion all these years ?

I have my fair share of heated debates in other places and I quite enjoy it even if in the end , mostly, it ends with an ad hominem, and I am usually not the one who started it. I prefer beating them with arguments. Happens on Steam forum too, which is not what I'm actually here for, thus I ask him politely before it gets draggy.

I'm sure you also have your fair share of it since you're throwing yourself at it right now. What is funny here though. I didn't even start a debate and got an ad hominem just because I made a several threads asking legit questions about the game, which is what Steam forum discussion is for. Threads will get buried as time goes anyway.

Now the thread will start being full of replies like this from me and you (mark my words), and clutter the whole discussion that's related to the thread. Bring it on if you feel like it, I'll be the bigger man, you get one free reply that I won't talk back. Use it wisely.

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I hope one day Steam will give thread starter a privilege for moderating their own thread so TS can just delete useless replies and or ban the user to not clutter the thread further with useless comments.

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Originally posted by Heather:

Buy all the water on Saturdays and Sundays. Sunday the week starts over and water will be back to 25 units.

Ah I see. Sometimes I wonder what causes it. I thought the game deliberately try to make it difficult when my water tank is full, but being more lenient as my water tank stays low on water lol.