Water

[🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷]

what is the best way to get water?
Dew collectors are sh*it.
Buying 5 barrels a day from Burgess for all money you have is not an option too.
Collecting from plants? that's lame
How the f*ck should I get all that water for all my fields?

[Smartik1]

I raised this in multiple places already. The Dew collectors are garbage and need a severe buff. I mostly get 2 dew from each (with the skill reducing dew requirement from 10 to 8 per water crafted, that's 4 dew collectors per 1 water). After finishing the game, I tried scaling up my farm and I go through 10-20 waters a day (with 0 farming, just machines). It would take me 40 dew collectors to get to 10 waters a day. This would take up most of my available space and still not be enough to be self sufficient.

Needless to say, I buy the discounted water every single day and I'm always running near empty, even at endgame. I have all the water related skills (machine water reduction, craft cost reduction, double dew from plants), none of it helps enough. You will never be able to mass produce like in Portia here.

[Hammer Of Evil]

Originally posted by 🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷:

what is the best way to get water?
Dew collectors are sh*it.
Buying 5 barrels a day from Burgess for all money you have is not an option too.
Collecting from plants? that's lame
How the f*ck should I get all that water for all my fields?

well, the water system needs some.. adjustments. but working within the constraints of the game here's what i've got so far:

ok first dont buy water from immortan joe sandrock edition, he is a pleb

the starting tools are there to hurt you. upgrade them immediately. The bronze ones immediately start producing dew whenever you cut or mine something aboveground, i'd say with a chance of around 30-50%.

if you want to use collectors, make 10 or more. you go all in or not at all. (ive got 32, really takes the edge off. now all we need is a 'water pipe' to auto collect all of them, this is...tedious.)

+pick up the 'less dew to make water' perk
+pick up the '10% less water use' perk
+pick up the 'dew from collecting blah blah plants' perk

then go around mining and chopping and gathering everything in existence aboveground. just make sure no one is around and remove all the vegitation with an axe, too.

with bronze tools, a decent run is going to get you 20-30 dew right there, dump the water into the tank, fill up stamina then do it again. (the money you paid for water goes to food, that's all.). combine it with collectors, and now you can start refilling the oasis and remove immortan joe's power. (and then complain why you can't sell your water for 250 each, but yellow immortan joe can =p)

edit: also 'growing plants' or 'raising animals' - hahaha yeah.. even with all of the above, the machines drink enough water to stop any hope of those happening. if you're doing that early game, good luck to you.

[Smartik1]

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

Originally posted by 🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷:

what is the best way to get water?
Dew collectors are sh*it.
Buying 5 barrels a day from Burgess for all money you have is not an option too.
Collecting from plants? that's lame
How the f*ck should I get all that water for all my fields?

well, the water system needs some.. adjustments. but working within the constraints of the game here's what i've got so far:

ok first dont buy water from immortan joe sandrock edition, he is a pleb

the starting tools are there to hurt you. upgrade them immediately. The bronze ones immediately start producing dew whenever you cut or mine something aboveground, i'd say with a chance of around 30-50%.

if you want to use collectors, make 10 or more. you go all in or not at all. (ive got 32, really takes the edge off. now all we need is a 'water pipe' to auto collect all of them, this is...tedious.)

+pick up the 'less dew to make water' perk
+pick up the '10% less water use' perk
+pick up the 'dew from collecting blah blah plants' perk

then go around mining and chopping and gathering everything in existence aboveground. just make sure no one is around and remove all the vegitation with an axe, too.

with bronze tools, a decent run is going to get you 20-30 dew right there, dump the water into the tank, fill up stamina then do it again. (the money you paid for water goes to food, that's all.). combine it with collectors, and now you can start refilling the oasis and remove immortan joe's power.

So a "decent run" nets you ~3 waters of the 10 you need in a day. Meanwhile, you wasted all your stamina and can't do anything else :) 32 collectors is unrealistic for the few machines they support, the amount of space they take and the amount of time it takes to collect each and every one of them every single day. It turns the game to a micromanagement chore.

What pisses me off is the collectors get no RNG bonuses (all other machines), no quality bonuses (all other machines do), supposedly water evaporates during the day too (didn't test, I collect them in the morning) and only every produce 2-3 dews a day (mostly 2, this is hardcoded).

You should be able to be self sufficient at endgame, but this doesn't get anywhere close. Considering how much farming needs (2-5 waters on a single square), it's just unreal.

[🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷]

I completed all quests, won 1 place at builder ranking, built everything at least once and now I wanted to get my hands on farming. Thats where I get slamed by the fact what I can't get enough water to water my crops. Perfect
I think that's where my game ends until release

[Badger]

While I admit the level of water is a bit limited, this is a DESERT town with a scarcity of water. You say "all my fields"...wow. Why do you do things which are time consuming and need water? You're a builder, not a farmer. I ran on 0.5 speed and I rarely had much time to finish what I needed to do without farming as well. If you're living in the arctic and need to burn stuff for warmth you don't waste wood by making chairs all day so why use water in the desert?

I finished the main story without eating anything at all. Someone provides you a chair which I sat on, raised the time to 2.0 and regained stamina. The only plants I grew were those required in quests. I was absolutely horrified when my 50 waters were drained during the flower quest. If the Devs really want you to farm then they need a complete overhaul because it isn't feasible. If the flower quest taught me anything it was "Don't plant anything".

I personally think that if you raise the amount of water so that people can grow crops it will spoil the game. It's nicely balanced now so you need to decide what you need to make. If you have 20 machines blasting away all day you won't have any water either.

Good job Devs. Once I accepted this wasn't "My Time in Portia" I had a blast. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends up.

[🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷]

Originally posted by Badger:

While I admit the level of water is a bit limited, this is a DESERT town with a scarcity of water.

I think this isn't the reason. I can guess there will be some device later in next patches what will allow to get more water for your needs in farming, but for now this isn't the case. At this moment farming is not comfortly playable part of the game

also 2 filds 5*5 size are too much?
why the hell to add this mechanic at all in that case if this is too much to handle

[Smartik1]

Originally posted by Badger:

While I admit the level of water is a bit limited, this is a DESERT town with a scarcity of water. You say "all my fields"...wow. Why do you do things which are time consuming and need water? You're a builder, not a farmer. I ran on 0.5 speed and I rarely had much time to finish what I needed to do without farming as well. If you're living in the arctic and need to burn stuff for warmth you don't waste wood by making chairs all day so why use water in the desert?

I finished the main story without eating anything at all. Someone provides you a chair which I sat on, raised the time to 2.0 and regained stamina. The only plants I grew were those required in quests. I was absolutely horrified when my 50 waters were drained during the flower quest. If the Devs really want you to farm then they need a complete overhaul because it isn't feasible. If the flower quest taught me anything it was "Don't plant anything".

I personally think that if you raise the amount of water so that people can grow crops it will spoil the game. It's nicely balanced now so you need to decide what you need to make. If you have 20 machines blasting away all day you won't have any water either.

Good job Devs. Once I accepted this wasn't "My Time in Portia" I had a blast. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends up.

The problem I have is that there is no sense of progression or accomplishment. At the start of the game, I'm short on everything. At the end of the game, I'm short on everything. With all skills maxed, I still make lowest quality products for 90% of my stuff, exactly the same as at the beginning. It really just encourages save scumming where you reload on loop until the product is a better quality, which really isn't enjoyable.

Stamina and water need some kind of improvement over time (e.g. better machines use less / better tools use less). This however needs to be meaningful, not like the current system where you get a 10% water reduction on the RNG stat (which is more like 1% unless you get it on every single machine) and even then it doesn't make a dent in your overall usage.

[Phantom]

Originally posted by Smartik1:

Originally posted by Badger:

While I admit the level of water is a bit limited, this is a DESERT town with a scarcity of water. You say "all my fields"...wow. Why do you do things which are time consuming and need water? You're a builder, not a farmer. I ran on 0.5 speed and I rarely had much time to finish what I needed to do without farming as well. If you're living in the arctic and need to burn stuff for warmth you don't waste wood by making chairs all day so why use water in the desert?

I finished the main story without eating anything at all. Someone provides you a chair which I sat on, raised the time to 2.0 and regained stamina. The only plants I grew were those required in quests. I was absolutely horrified when my 50 waters were drained during the flower quest. If the Devs really want you to farm then they need a complete overhaul because it isn't feasible. If the flower quest taught me anything it was "Don't plant anything".

I personally think that if you raise the amount of water so that people can grow crops it will spoil the game. It's nicely balanced now so you need to decide what you need to make. If you have 20 machines blasting away all day you won't have any water either.

Good job Devs. Once I accepted this wasn't "My Time in Portia" I had a blast. Looking forward to seeing how it all ends up.

The problem I have is that there is no sense of progression or accomplishment. At the start of the game, I'm short on everything. At the end of the game, I'm short on everything. With all skills maxed, I still make lowest quality products for 90% of my stuff, exactly the same as at the beginning. It really just encourages save scumming where you reload on loop until the product is a better quality, which really isn't enjoyable.

Stamina and water need some kind of improvement over time (e.g. better machines use less / better tools use less). This however needs to be meaningful, not like the current system where you get a 10% water reduction on the RNG stat (which is more like 1% unless you get it on every single machine) and even then it doesn't make a dent in your overall usage.

I mean I'm trucking along, I'm only halfway through month 2, cinched #1 on the first month, already have enough to ensure it for month 2, haven't ran out of water, have 40 plants in the ground (several of those 40 are 4x or 9x plants)... YES plants suck down the water, but you only need to water every 1 and 1/2 cycles... aka water 2x barrels per plot then its a grow + half a grow (if not more) before you need to water again... set up 20 water dew collectors (which are underpowered right now sure)

What your missing out on is that the game is at 25% of the story / equipment

Its pretty obvious with upgrades people ask for you can't get yet that you'll get access to hydrogel then other cooling things later

Its still EA, and yeah its like the cartoon where the guy is laying tracks down as his cart is speeding over them. But its still EA, its got a fraction of the final content.

I just want my robot buddy who collects everything nightly for me

[Hammer Of Evil]

Originally posted by 🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷:

I completed all quests, won 1 place at builder ranking, built everything at least once and now I wanted to get my hands on farming. Thats where I get slamed by the fact what I can't get enough water to water my crops. Perfect
I think that's where my game ends until release :gs_stomped:

oh my bad dude lmao

yes. and yes.

Originally posted by 🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷:

Originally posted by Badger:

While I admit the level of water is a bit limited, this is a DESERT town with a scarcity of water.

I think this isn't the reason. I can guess there will be some device later in next patches what will allow to get more water for your needs in farming, but for now this isn't the case. At this moment farming is not comfortly playable part of the game

also 2 filds 5*5 size are too much?
why the hell to add this mechanic at all in that case if this is too much to handle

yes. for the moment, farming is ...nope.

well, maybe a large chunk of the missing content is... well actually i'll not say anything there. cause im p sure i'm right. dont wanna spoilers. but it wouldn't be hard to guess.

i have to say though, it doesn't play like an alpha. except for the SUPER jiggly towel or blanket hanging on the clothesline above the tailor office. I haven't fallen through the terrain to my death once yet.

i was pretty happy jumping off a high place and dying on impact, though. im not sure why.

[Smartik1]

Originally posted by Hammer Of Evil:

Originally posted by 🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷:

I completed all quests, won 1 place at builder ranking, built everything at least once and now I wanted to get my hands on farming. Thats where I get slamed by the fact what I can't get enough water to water my crops. Perfect
I think that's where my game ends until release :gs_stomped:

oh my bad dude lmao

yes. and yes.

Originally posted by 🅱⭕🅱R⭕D⭕🅱R⭕🍷:

I think this isn't the reason. I can guess there will be some device later in next patches what will allow to get more water for your needs in farming, but for now this isn't the case. At this moment farming is not comfortly playable part of the game

also 2 filds 5*5 size are too much?
why the hell to add this mechanic at all in that case if this is too much to handle

yes. for the moment, farming is ...nope.

well, maybe a large chunk of the missing content is... well actually i'll not say anything there. cause im p sure i'm right. dont wanna spoilers. but it wouldn't be hard to guess.

i have to say though, it doesn't play like an alpha. except for the SUPER jiggly towel or blanket hanging on the clothesline above the tailor office. I haven't fallen through the terrain to my death once yet.

i was pretty happy jumping off a high place and dying on impact, though. im not sure why.

I fell through the map once. I got teleported back up afterwards.
I fell to my death twice (with and without a horse from the scrapyard elevator). That place has some real safety issues.

[Ihateeverybody]

I don't know, I must be playing the game wrong. I never ran short of water. I think for the majority I had (not necessarily Ran all at once)

3 Civ Furnaces
2 Civ Recyclers
1 Civ Grinder
1 Civ Processor
1 Dew Collector
1 Ore Refiner
1 Forge
----Last quarter of content----
1 Jewler
1 Tailor
1 Chef Station
3 more dew colectors (More for gauging how different quality affects stuff, no noticible effect)

Finished Top at Autumn, Winter and Year.

[Smartik1]

Originally posted by Ihateeverybody:

I don't know, I must be playing the game wrong. I never ran short of water. I think for the majority I had (not necessarily Ran all at once)

3 Civ Furnaces
2 Civ Recyclers
1 Civ Grinder
1 Civ Processor
1 Dew Collector
1 Ore Refiner
1 Forge
----Last quarter of content----
1 Jewler
1 Tailor
1 Chef Station
3 more dew colectors (More for gauging how different quality affects stuff, no noticible effect)

Finished Top at Autumn, Winter and Year.

Always depends how slow you are taking it. The less competitive you are, the less you need.
I mostly had:
3 Civ Recyclers
4 Civ Furnaces
2 Civ Grinders
2 Civ Processors
2 Dew Collectors
1 of everything else

Dew collectors are really useless, 5 of them can't keep 1 machine running for a day. When you look at drain rates, some of them are 0.90 per hour (1 water = 10 in the storage so that's like 11 hours for 1 machine per 1 water). You can see how easily this whole thing breaks down as you scale up. And you are right, the quality of dew collectors does absolutely nothing.

I scaled up to 4 recyclers, 5 furnaces and 1 ore refiner running 24/7 at the end and the drain really hit hard. Unlike Portia, the machines don't have any efficiency gains across upgrades.

[The_K00lDude]

i've only got 3 dew collectors, sure you don't make all the water back, but thees alot of commissions that make you alot of money, just go buy some? yes you can only buy 5 lots on the cheap, but you can buy even more after you have exhausted those. the price is higher ofc.

also about the dew collectors! don't grab the dew each day. the dew left over night doubles each time (minus one sometimes due to evaporation). so 2 dew turns into 4, 4 dew turns to 8, 8 dew to 16 etc...

[Bobucles]

There are a couple small sources of water. Collect dew from random harvestables, get water from various rewards/friendships, and collect drops from dew collectors.

The biggest source of water BY FAR is from the water shop near the oasis. They refill 5-25 water every day at a 75% discount, totaling ~50 gols per 5 jugs. Make it a personal goal to go there every day.

Machines seem to burn far less water than you think. I've been running heavy industry with an estimated ~15 hour reservoir, but I only need to fill up every 3 or so days. There may be a bug with water consumption, in the player's favor.

I think that water needs a bigger spotlight in Sandrock. There are hundreds of inventory items to play with, and only two(2) types of water. Water is such a huge part of our every day lives, and it comes with vastly differing qualities. Purified oasis water is the best water available to Sandrock, and deserves blue tier quality at the least. But there should probably be lower qualities of used water and disgusting slime water to get a hold of, and maybe even pristine old age relic water to play with. Every drop of water matters to the town, even if it's so gross you could light it on fire.

[Smartik1]

Originally posted by The_K00lDude:

i've only got 3 dew collectors, sure you don't make all the water back, but thees alot of commissions that make you alot of money, just go buy some? yes you can only buy 5 lots on the cheap, but you can buy even more after you have exhausted those. the price is higher ofc.

also about the dew collectors! don't grab the dew each day. the dew left over night doubles each time (minus one sometimes due to evaporation). so 2 dew turns into 4, 4 dew turns to 8, 8 dew to 16 etc...

Are you sure about the doubling? It is completely undocumented. This is the Wiki statement:
"Dew Collector can contain a maximum of 20 Dew and will collect 2-3 Dew each day."
https://mytimeatsandrock.fandom.com/wiki/Dew_Collector

I know about evaporation and first time hearing about doubling. Is this something you actually observed or are you just speculating.