AK-74 ammo type is wrong

[BloodyPork]

In this game it uses 7.62 mm rounds which is factually wrong, real life AK-74 uses 5.45 mm rounds.

[Torpex]

There are a lot of these simplifications. SVD has wrong ammo and a burst mode.

AK-74 uses AKM model. Romanian variant to be exact. So may be SVD is not really the SVD but the romanian DMR PSL based on AKM.

[Necroscourge]

It boils down to the developers not understanding the "gun nerd" aspect of Jagged Alliance. Many weapons that you could probably modify cannot be modified, like the MG's or rocket launchers.

There's also the fact that many guns are trademarked, so you're not supposed to accurately model them in games. It's a *Russian* trademark which means there is no trademark on this gun, it's still the principle of the matter.

In JA2 1.13 I used to run a team of colt 9mm SMGs with shrikes on my heavy gunners. Because there's no bobby rays, we're literally just fed cold war overstock from the people we kill.

[Karmapowered]

Originally posted by Necroscourge:

"gun nerd" aspect of Jagged Alliance.

Where are they ?

I want them all :(

[Necroscourge]

NGL, I miss the image of a bunch of people in tanktops slinging revolver rounds up close. Prolly starting another JA 2 1.13 run after this game.

[Torpex]

There is also a russian game called 7.62 and has pretty accurate firearms. It's RTwP though but simulates all the actions simultaneously. has morale, suppression, shock ets.

[Ziggurt]

Originally posted by Torpex:

There is also a russian game called 7.62 and has pretty accurate firearms. It's RTwP though but simulates all the actions simultaneously. has morale, suppression, shock ets.

Also buggy as hell when I tried it ages ago. Not to mention translation back then was google translate from early times quality. I know it has its fans, but I consider life to be too short to try that thing again.

Originally posted by Necroscourge:

It boils down to the developers not understanding the "gun nerd" aspect of Jagged Alliance.

Or being on stringshoe budget (looking at some of the decisions they made - like how sale of merchandise in Fleatown is implemented -that is very MVP like implementation) and cutting every corner possible.

[Multihog]

Originally posted by Torpex:

There is also a russian game called 7.62 and has pretty accurate firearms. It's RTwP though but simulates all the actions simultaneously. has morale, suppression, shock ets.

Too bad it has terrible jank and writing that almost gave me a stroke. That game is one of the worst I've played in my life.

[kycol]

Originally posted by BloodyPork:

In this game it uses 7.62 mm rounds which is factually wrong, real life AK-74 uses 5.45 mm rounds.

Wait till you see Dragunov using the same round but also in burst(!) mode

[VYM]

It's AK-47, dude, which fires 7.62mm diameter bullets using a 39mm long cartridge, usually referred to as 7.62 x 39mm rounds.

[BloodyPork]

Originally posted by VYM:

It's AK-47, dude, which fires 7.62mm diameter bullets using a 39mm long cartridge, usually referred to as 7.62 x 39mm rounds.

Why are you talking about ak 47, no one does. 74 is not the same as 47.

[Mortimer81]

Originally posted by Necroscourge:

It boils down to the developers not understanding the "gun nerd" aspect of Jagged Alliance.

Or maybe the gun nerds dont understand that the JA franchise was never meant to be a turnbased Tarkov before a very passionate modder turned it into something similar. Just saying. ;)

[[ACPL] Jon]

JA 2 lost gun-porn credibility when they've called G3 an "ugly gun" (going by PL translation) :P

[Hathur]

Originally posted by VYM:

It's AK-47, dude, which fires 7.62mm diameter bullets using a 39mm long cartridge, usually referred to as 7.62 x 39mm rounds.

Dear god this is painful to read. I'm not even a gun person, but having played enough video games even I know the Ak-74 is a different weapon from the ak-47.. you apparently don't even realize it exists and thought the OP made a typo.

[pascal.difolco]

Originally posted by Torpex:

There are a lot of these simplifications. SVD has wrong ammo and a burst mode.

AK-74 uses AKM model. Romanian variant to be exact. So may be SVD is not really the SVD but the romanian DMR PSL based on AKM.

They already heavily reduced the weapons choices, and removed Bobby Rays
They could at least haved used the correct ammo for the dozen of guns that are still available !

[Torpex]

Anybody needs more gun trivia?

When soviets designers got the task to copy 5.56 US was using in Vietnam. They just did it, copied. So bullet diameter is the same as in 5.56, but because soviet measure calibers differently it was designated 5.45. BTW, 7.62 suffers the same problem. US 7.62 is a .30 round. Russian 7.62 is .303. So it is the same bullet diameter as british 303 and belgian 7.65mm. LOL.

Next was the converting AKM into AK-74. For minimum of changes they had to keep the chamber length the same. So casing is 39mm, but to keep the bullet energy close to 5.56 they had to drop the bullet weight to 52gr. Also they elected to use tumbling vs fragmentation. Therefore 5.45 bullet is longer than 5.56 with a enclosed cavity in the front (yey geneva convention loopholes) which produces reliable tumbling in soft tissues.

Another fact is that due to fragmentation nature of 55gr 5.56 US elected to use 20" barrel on M16 to keep the velocity while soviets went for the carbine length barrel from a getgo.