My Tip's for Early game Rifle's

[jfoytek]

So I know many of you are going to want automatic weapons or burst weapons etc.
Your going to get your first AK-47 and your going to be excited because its an AK-47. But this is not rust lol....

In this game if your playing smart your likely using "Stealth" and engaging while hidden at range for double damage. And why not? 1 Shot 1 Kill makes sense less ammo used less fussing around making ammo etc....

So eventually many of you will get over your need to have the big gun that fires fast and waists ammo and will realize that the old work horse single shot rifles are the way to go...

the Life of a sniper is the way to go...

And for that these are the early game guns that can carry you and do the work.

Gewehr 98 modded w/ x5 scope and Improvised silencer
Dmg 36 Range 32 Crit 4 Aim Bonus 5

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005850788

In this first island you get a horde of these old single shots and they are solid stick an improvised silencer on them and you have good range and good damage....

Winchester 1894 modded w/ x10 scope, extended barrel, Improvised Silencer
Dmg 43 Range 30 Crit 8 Aim Bonus 10

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005850797

You start finding these on the mainland, and don't pass them up. At first the un-modded version I found did not impress me why would I want to use a 24 range rifle.... Well that's easily fixed with a barrel extension as you can see in the image. Yes you do lose 2 Range from the previous gun but you gain extra damage and the ability to mount the X10 scope which turns an average merc into a sniper.... Head shots are pretty much guaranteed.... And your using .44 ammo that drops everywhere its very plentiful so this gun is one you should not pass up. Again Un modified it doesn't look that great but its easy to mod into a beast...

This next gun I DONT recommend

M24
DMG 46 Range 36 Crit 3 Aim Bonus 5

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005850810

This is a much rarer to come buy early game gun that's considered a true sniper rifle and compare it too the Winchester above its got a slight bit more damage and a slight bit more range... But it comes with "Cumbersome" Penalty that takes away your Free Move that is pretty big....

Yes I do use this gun but with a Merc who is kitted out with Heavy Armor which already is cumbersome so using this gun with him works fine... He already lost his free move due to the heavy armor....

But for my other Light and Medium armor merc's I definately prefer that Winchester.... So don't sleep on it.... Use it....

And my Last tip for those who have embraced the life of the 1 shot 1 kill sniper in hiding... If you have a solid gun and merc head shots are not that hard but if your Leary of your mercs skills and you really want to get that 1 shot 1 kill result, "The Groin" is a far better shot to take then the Torso, you get more damage often times enough to kill especially if its out of hiding.. And its a much easier shot to hit then the head shot.... So thats my last tip is don't be afraid to take head shots but if you don't think you got the skill yet the "Groin" shot is often just as good as a head shot and easier to make....

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by Rattus:

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Edited Post with Stat's for the guns so you don't have to open the image. Sorry not sure why these steam images are not opening for you....

[Torpex]

Galil and FAL make good DMRs with thermal scopes. Bypasses the weather too. But yea I run winchester with x10 on one guy for those stealth kills.

I had this set up for awhile, since Fleatown (got lucky on RNG): Win1894 sniper, FAL, Galil, RPK, FAMAS plus Jackhammer (very good) I got from the jail later. i got there M1014 too, but it is not as good.

[TwoTurntables]

Thanks I am going to try it your way.

I hate modifying early game weapons and armor and try to conserve the mods for the better later game weapons but it seems I just hoard and carry useless craft materials far too long.

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by TwoTurntables:

Thanks I am going to try it your way.

I hate modifying early game weapons and armor and try to conserve the mods for the better later game weapons but it seems I just hoard and carry useless craft materials far too long.

Parts are so easy to come bye their is no reason not to use them and pipes are not that hard either as the game is always filling up your inventory with guns you have no need for and no other use for then to scrap....

[HozzMidnight]

I have not found any Winchester's (or an M24, which I agree cumbersome is terrible and why I don't use the MG42) but I have found a couple of Dragunovs. They use the 7.62 WP ammo and have a 1x36 damage shot and a 3x18 burst attack. Base range is 30. 10 round standard mag. Pretty great sniper gun suppressed.

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by HozzMidnight:

I have not found any Winchester's (or an M24, which I agree cumbersome is terrible and why I don't use the MG42) but I have found a couple of Dragunovs. They use the 7.62 WP ammo and have a 1x36 damage shot and a 3x18 burst attack. Base range is 30. 10 round standard mag. Pretty great sniper gun suppressed.

I have several Dragunov's in sector stash but the game rarely drops non nato ammo lol.... and I don't want to spend a ton of time crafting ammo for it when .44 drop like candy...

[OKOK]

Wonder why all auto shoot are junk.
Too much nerf due to ja2?

Now it always single shoot
Missing all the fun of having firing auto.

[jfoytek]

Originally posted by OKOK:

Wonder why all auto shoot are junk.
Too much nerf due to ja2?

Now it always single shoot
Missing all the fun of having firing auto.

Personally it suits my play style I prefer single shot in every game I play and for once I feel like a game has gotten the balance correct.... Gamer's have been trained to believe that full auto is better then it actually is.... And its nice that this game awards those people who like to spray and pray with oh "Crap" I am out of ammo now lol.....

[Almost Last Place]

Originally posted by OKOK:

Wonder why all auto shoot are junk.
Too much nerf due to ja2?

Now it always single shoot
Missing all the fun of having firing auto.

Auto and burst are junk because the bullets deal a fraction of the damage a single shot does. It makes zero sense. Burst and auto should have huge accuracy penalties that make it so headshots are unlikely and single shot rifles should be higher caliber ones that deal even more damage per shot. Damage per bullet should ALWAYS be the same depending on where the bullet hits. Instead we have this dumb system that makes full auto do next to no damage per hit, burst is about half damage per hit.

Burst also takes more AP than single fire and not in a ratio that makes sense for what it costs you.

[MinenSpecht]

Originally posted by OKOK:

Wonder why all auto shoot are junk.
Too much nerf due to ja2?

Now it always single shoot
Missing all the fun of having firing auto.

LMGs are great. With scope and bipod they can shred at sniper range (comparing Dragunov and RPK right now). The big downside early in the game is that they use so much ammo and you cant go stealth mode.

[black]

rifles need stealth bonus removal, damage is a joke, like 150 with starter rifles on headshot. instead the damage needs to drop with every extra meter distance.

[LoboNocturno]

The modded Winchester 1894 is 1 of the best weapons of the game imo, especially in the very start its extremely useful especially with Flay.

[Red Bat]

Sniper rifles feel way too powerful in this game. Glock18s, shotguns, and machine guns also feel very powerful, but each of them have very big weaknesses and go through ammo very quickly. Sniper rifles feel immensely powerful, work well with how strong stealth is in this game, and are also ammo efficient. Even at close range it feels pretty rare that I feel like having a sniper rifle is a disadvantage.

Even if burst and full auto weapons were buffed, they'd still lose out to sniper rifles in most cases simply by the fact that they burn through ammo too quickly. Even the cruddy Gewehr 98 feels like it matches the game's better shotguns and machine guns in general effectiveness.

[RPS 12324]

I usually find a Winchester and M24 pretty quickly after I am done with Ernie. Also helps if you visit Facheaux' base early you can get a free PSG-1.

[Gladius Victorius]

Originally posted by Red Bat Media:

Sniper rifles feel way too powerful in this game. Glock18s, shotguns, and machine guns also feel very powerful, but each of them have very big weaknesses and go through ammo very quickly. Sniper rifles feel immensely powerful, work well with how strong stealth is in this game, and are also ammo efficient. Even at close range it feels pretty rare that I feel like having a sniper rifle is a disadvantage.

Even if burst and full auto weapons were buffed, they'd still lose out to sniper rifles in most cases simply by the fact that they burn through ammo too quickly. Even the cruddy Gewehr 98 feels like it matches the game's better shotguns and machine guns in general effectiveness.

The weakness of the Rifle are the Overwatch cone yes they make more damage per shot but i prefer to cover more then 2 CM with my overwatch of the Map. With an AK or MG you can overwatch both side of an House/Wall with a Rifle you must chose and if the Enemy come then from the wrong side your 36 damage are useless why you get shot at point Blank and can do nothing about it with a Rifle