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Dwarf Floyd has Jagged Alliance 3

Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:40am

Game hitchance is brutal lying

You can have a chance of 90% its 50 50in reality! 60% and i load game back 5 times until a hit! I tested the legimity of it now so often, and its like, the game on purpose make you miss! I mean it like that! I had so often 90% git chance and no hit! what the heck... As fun the game is but i don't get it.

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Dwarf Floyd has Jagged Alliance 3

Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:44am

So, just made the next experience. 80% hit chance and 3 loads needed at the 4th try a hit.

MinenSpecht has Jagged Alliance 3

Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:47am

Why are you playing with cth? Just trust your mercs comment when aiming.

uncle nick has Jagged Alliance 3

Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:56am

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005276079
No CtH is working just fine for Kalyna.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005276854

sandman25dcsss has Jagged Alliance 3

Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:58am

Originally posted by MinenSpecht:
Why are you playing with cth? Just trust your mercs comment when aiming.

Very bad idea. It is funny when merc says something like "I can hit it with closed eyes" and then you see the chance is just 60% and he misses indeed despite max aiming.

Last edited by sandman25dcsss; Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:59am

morph113

Jul 16, 2023 @ 6:59am

Originally posted by Sir Lance alot:
So, just made the next experience. 80% hit chance and 3 loads needed at the 4th try a hit.

That's quite a low sample size, 3 shots, really? 80% chance would mean out of 100 shots about 80 would hit. You could still miss 3 shots in a row with that. Every shot has the same 80% chance and 20% chance to miss. You are like a person losing money on the blackjack table because they bet 5 times on black in a row and lost and are like (but statistically it's a 50% chance, why did I lose 5 times in a row betting on black? Just because black came up 5 times in a row doesn't make it more likely that red will show up next, the chance will still be 50:50.

Last edited by morph113; Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:01am

Dorok

Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:00am

Stop use the hit% mod can easily fix op problem.

Antiga Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:00am

Originally posted by morph113:
Originally posted by Sir Lance alot:
So, just made the next experience. 80% hit chance and 3 loads needed at the 4th try a hit.
That's quite a low sample size, 3 shots, really? 80% chance would mean out of 100 shots about 80 would hit. You could still miss 3 shots in a row with that. Every shot has the same 80% chance and 20% chance to miss. You are like a person losing money on the blackjack table because they bet 5 times on black in a row and lost and are like (but statistically it's a 50% chance, why did I lose 5 times in a row betting on black?

You must've never played X-com... 95% hit chance...

Antiga Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:03am

Originally posted by Dorok:
Stop use the hit% mod can easily fix op problem.

So the removal of a mod the devs made to fix their own game will magically fix the hit probability issue? How often does a merc say "I got this" or something similar, and then proceeds with missing, regardless of hit% mod or not? OP has a legitimate issue, and all you people can say is "Don't play the game as you want to, play the game as I want you to."

The logic on these forums...

morph113

Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:04am

Originally posted by Antiga:
Originally posted by morph113:
That's quite a low sample size, 3 shots, really? 80% chance would mean out of 100 shots about 80 would hit. You could still miss 3 shots in a row with that. Every shot has the same 80% chance and 20% chance to miss. You are like a person losing money on the blackjack table because they bet 5 times on black in a row and lost and are like (but statistically it's a 50% chance, why did I lose 5 times in a row betting on black?
You must've never played X-com... 95% hit chance...

Oh I played both XCom reboots for hundreds of hours. Hit chances are fine in XCom. It's just that players remember the high % chances they miss easier but ignore all the ones they do hit. Also XCOM uses a seed based hit chance system, but you probably know that. Basically all potential outcomes are already decided when you start a map, assuming you would take the same moves and actions again and again.

sandman25dcsss has Jagged Alliance 3

Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:06am

Originally posted by uncle nick:
No CtH is working just fine for Kalyna.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005282816

This is why it is funny when people say + and - is enough.
Here we have 4 pluses and just 2 minuses and still 0% CtH.
I can even agree that hiding + and - is not a bad idea :)

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Maj. Crimes has Jagged Alliance 3

Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:07am

Originally posted by Antiga:
Originally posted by Dorok:
Stop use the hit% mod can easily fix op problem.
So the removal of a mod the devs made to fix their own game will magically fix the hit probability issue? How often does a merc say "I got this" or something similar, and then proceeds with missing, regardless of hit% mod or not? OP has a legitimate issue, and all you people can say is "Don't play the game as you want to, play the game as I want you to."

The logic on these forums...

A comment from your merc doesnt mean it will be a guranteed hit. Why should it?

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Dorok

Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:07am

Originally posted by Antiga:
Originally posted by Dorok:
Stop use the hit% mod can easily fix op problem.
So the removal of a mod the devs made to fix their own game will magically fix the hit probability issue? How often does a merc say "I got this" or something similar, and then proceeds with missing, regardless of hit% mod or not? OP has a legitimate issue, and all you people can say is "Don't play the game as you want to, play the game as I want you to."

The logic on these forums...

Who said the chance to hit was wrong, obviously not OP who has clearly a weak analysis on that and just believe the mod.

OP just said hit% shown was wrong, could be. And let be clear OP has zero understanding of stats so it's a void thread, as most often in those I miss complain thread, quote there's never I hit complain threads.

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Roaming Zombie Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:16am

Originally posted by sandman25dcsss:
Originally posted by uncle nick:
No CtH is working just fine for Kalyna.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3005282816

This is why it is funny when people say + and - is enough.
Here we have 4 pluses and just 2 minuses and still 0% CtH.
I can even agree that hiding + and - is not a bad idea :)

No, it only means that you have no clue how chance works.

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Ziggurt Jul 16, 2023 @ 7:17am

These threads are predictable and this is why CTH is such a mistake from game developers.
People can't wrap their head around probability calculations and this is why in most such games developers introduce "loaded dice" so that they avoid complaints (so if you miss high CTH shot once, the next shot is 100% to hit).

Missing 10 shots after each other with 99 % chance to hit is not a bug - it is just the way numbers roll.

Hitting 10 shots after each other with 50% chance to hit is also not a bug - it is just the way dice rolled.

90% chance is not 100% chance.

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