Dragunov rifle, are you kidding? (Rant)

[Efendi_]

Ok, first DMR i have found is a dragunov:

https://imgur.com/a/ICzjgnK

Features of the rifle:
- Decreased (!) bonus from aiming (What the hell?)
- Very noisy
- Rifle with burst firing mode (?)

I do not expect everyone to have some general knowledge about firearms however most if not all people can use a keyboard and browse the wikipedia page of the rifle they intend to model and implement into their games.

I guess the project was a little bit more complicated than the Haemimont Games had expected.

[Dick__Dastardly]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dorok:

Dragunov is a semi auto so has a burst mode unlike what seems pretend OP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_SVU

Irony: Arguing about something while providing a link that disproves your very statement.

Semi-automatic firearms do not have a burst mode. Semi-automatic is "automatic" in the sense that the firearm discharges, clears and reloads the chamber with each pull of the trigger, opposed to say a bolt action or single action revolver, requiring user input before being ready for the next shot. One shot per trigger pull.

[HozzMidnight]

It's hilarious how ignorant disarmed people are about firearms.

[Oddball_E8]

Dude...

The RPK-74 also uses the 7.62 WP ammo... it should be using the 5.45 WP ammo.

And there are plenty of other examples of the weapons not being exactly like their real life versions.

FN FAL has 30 mag as standard (with an option to increase?!?!).
There's a golden M21 sniper rifle that is single shot. (as in, has to reload after each shot).
There's more examples, but I mean, this happened to a certain extent in the original games too...

In JA2, the Beretta 93R is shown with a 20 round mag but only has 15, The Glock 17( and 18) only has 15 rounds, they should have 17 at least. The MP5k was shown with a 20 round mag but listed as having 30.

Granted, they usually got the ammo right, but since they had a ton more guns than this game, they could get away with having the right ammo... this game has to make do with few ammo sorts.

[Oddball_E8]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dick__Dastardly:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dorok:

Dragunov is a semi auto so has a burst mode unlike what seems pretend OP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragunov_SVU

Irony: Arguing about something while providing a link that disproves your very statement.

Semi-automatic firearms do not have a burst mode. Semi-automatic is "automatic" in the sense that the firearm discharges, clears and reloads the chamber with each pull of the trigger, opposed to say a bolt action or single action revolver, requiring user input before being ready for the next shot. One shot per trigger pull.

Actually, the SVU-A is fully automatic.

But that's not the dragunov that's in the game.

[Xerkics]

Its meant to fire subsonic rounds and have built in suppressor , this one doesnt BUT you can mod it.

[Oddball_E8]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xerkics:

Its meant to fire subsonic rounds and have built in suppressor , this one doesnt BUT you can mod it.

Actually, that's a common misconception.

The SVU is not meant to fire subsonic rounds and it doesn't really have a built in suppressor... the muzzle device more distorts the sound than muffles it, but it's really there for recoil suppression, not sound suppression.

Either way, it's not a suppressor and it's not meant to fire subsonic ammunition.

EDIT: I realized too late that you're referring to the in-game dragunov... the SVD Dragunov... And boy, you could not be more wrong... the Dragunov isn't even considered a sniper rifle, really... it's more of a designated marksman rifle.

And it's *certainly* not meant to fire subsonic ammunition and it definitely does not have a built in suppressor.

[Keith 'Blood' Hanson]

Its a semiauto that has the same AP requirement of a bolt action. The 'burst fire' selection I'm guessing is to simulate that. ...What's the issue...?

[Don Montega]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von I gurgle for Nurgle:

I suspect it's a Dragunoff, a local bootleg version of a Dragunov rifle, made from an old rusty AK-47, taken from grandpa's stash. Hence it's very noisy, uses 7.62x39 and has a burst fire mode.

That could very well be the explanation. Someone who heard tales about that alleged legend the dragunov was, saw something roughly meeting the description and "repurposed and relabeled" it.

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Oddball_E8:

EDIT: I realized too late that you're referring to the in-game dragunov... the SVD Dragunov... And boy, you could not be more wrong... the Dragunov isn't even considered a sniper rifle, really... it's more of a designated marksman rifle.

And it's *certainly* not meant to fire subsonic ammunition and it definitely does not have a built in suppressor.

My first impression is they had brain lag and were referring to the AS VAL or VSS Vintorez. Which both are indeed totally different to the Dragunov DMR.

[Xerkics]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Oddball_E8:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Xerkics:

Its meant to fire subsonic rounds and have built in suppressor , this one doesnt BUT you can mod it.

Actually, that's a common misconception.

The SVU is not meant to fire subsonic rounds and it doesn't really have a built in suppressor... the muzzle device more distorts the sound than muffles it, but it's really there for recoil suppression, not sound suppression.

Either way, it's not a suppressor and it's not meant to fire subsonic ammunition.

EDIT: I realized too late that you're referring to the in-game dragunov... the SVD Dragunov... And boy, you could not be more wrong... the Dragunov isn't even considered a sniper rifle, really... it's more of a designated marksman rifle.

And it's *certainly* not meant to fire subsonic ammunition and it definitely does not have a built in suppressor.

I think i confused it with Vintorez? Either way i think you can mode the barrel to make it silent

[Dorok]

Ooops sorry lol for the wrong wiki quote. Atom RPG was my reference and then I made a confusion with the VSSM and Vintorez:
https://atom-rpg.fandom.com/wiki/Vintorez
https://atom-rpg.fandom.com/wiki/VSSM

But yeah the Dragunov has no burst mode:
https://atom-rpg.fandom.com/wiki/Dragunov_Sniper_Rifle

[BallisticOctopus]

Yeah, and the Mauser 98K shoots 7.62 NATO, even though it's an 8mm Mauser. The MP40 has a standard magazine of 40, as opposed to the historically accurate 32 rounds, and German stick grenades from the 1940s are perfectly stable and usable after 60 years. That's just off the top of my head.

The game isn't meant to be a gunwank simulator like Tarkov.

[Dorok]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von jakl201:

Its a semiauto that has the same AP requirement of a bolt action. The 'burst fire' selection I'm guessing is to simulate that. ...What's the issue...?

Well Atom RPG has small burst and full burst, second mode is reserved to full auto, perhaps first is for some semi auto not only some full auto, but still they didn't give any burst mode to Dragunov despite it is semi auto.

[Dorok]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tvattbjornsjavel:

The game isn't meant to be a gunwank simulator like Tarkov.

My point too, even if in this case, ok perhaps no burst mode would have been better.