twin manor

[Golden Boy]

who is the suspect

[Keyboard Cowboy]

I picked both of the family's as to me it seems they were poisoning and shooting each-other. but I have no idea if I was right or wrong.

[Torpex]

Talk to everyone. If you listen you will figure it out.

One family are gunners, another one are poisoners. One victim is shot, another one is poisoned.

[Golden Boy]

Originally posted by Torpex:

Talk to everyone. If you listen you will figure it out.

One family are gunners, another one are poisoners. One victim is shot, another one is poisoned.

Originally posted by Keyboard Cowboy:

I picked both of the family's as to me it seems they were poisoning and shooting each-other. but I have no idea if I was right or wrong.

thank you, are there any consequences ?

[Keyboard Cowboy]

Originally posted by Golden Boy:

Originally posted by Torpex:

Talk to everyone. If you listen you will figure it out.

One family are gunners, another one are poisoners. One victim is shot, another one is poisoned.

Originally posted by Keyboard Cowboy:

I picked both of the family's as to me it seems they were poisoning and shooting each-other. but I have no idea if I was right or wrong.

thank you, are there any consequences ?

Yes, you manage to piss off both family's and there will be a big shoot-out which you are caught up into but other then that, don't think so.

[Torpex]

And doc's comments are hilarious afterwards.

[zloba]

I got all the clues with MD and it's 100% obvious it's the doc who did it (and planted the poison and ammo afterwards).

[SirHawk]

Originally posted by zloba:

I got all the clues with MD and it's 100% obvious it's the doc who did it (and planted the poison and ammo afterwards).

This may have been true, but Doc doesn't use hollow point and certainly wouldn't have enough strength to use an axe on a grownass man or force to drink the poison, as apparent on the cemetary. So the "obvious" I take as a sarcasm.

[zloba]

Originally posted by SirHawk:

Originally posted by zloba:

I got all the clues with MD and it's 100% obvious it's the doc who did it (and planted the poison and ammo afterwards).

This may have been true, but Doc doesn't use hollow point and certainly wouldn't have enough strength to use an axe on a grownass man or force to drink the poison, as apparent on the cemetary. So the "obvious" I take as a sarcasm.

Don't follow the most obvious route. Doc mentions that you have been grave digging before you show him the will so he followed you to the cemetery. The grave that required strength was not disturbed, the other contained an empty box. Likely Doc opened and took the strychnine out of it. A woman is always poisoned and a man is shot. Because Doc is recreating the death of his parents (his mother killed herself by taking poison.

[TickTack]

Originally posted by zloba:

Originally posted by SirHawk:

This may have been true, but Doc doesn't use hollow point and certainly wouldn't have enough strength to use an axe on a grownass man or force to drink the poison, as apparent on the cemetary. So the "obvious" I take as a sarcasm.

Don't follow the most obvious route. Doc mentions that you have been grave digging before you show him the will so he followed you to the cemetery. The grave that required strength was not disturbed, the other contained an empty box. Likely Doc opened and took the strychnine out of it. A woman is always poisoned and a man is shot. Because Doc is recreating the death of his parents (his mother killed herself by taking poison.

how did you find out that maternal-related info? :) I cant find it

I'm convinced that Dr Lenfer is causing the families to kill each other off, probably to do with land ownership issues but I can't find a motive for that. He hates the two families.

The cemetery has a similar scene; a girl with a strychnine bottle in her throat and a man shot with HP ammo and axed. The empty grave might've held an empty poison bottle (the one used during the play), thus used to choke her with it instead. Were they lovers meeting at night? There was a picnic basket and radio at the scene. If so, then the murderer would be neutral and side with neither family; i.e. killed them both to hide this evidence.
If the empty grave also held HP rounds (evidence), it'd explain why the Doc used them to kill the man. The axing: derangement? Hatred?

It's unlikely that these serial murders are being committed by the families because their focus would be on revenge instead of accusing the doctor, which is what they do. Further, the scenes are orchestrated along a Romeo and Juliet theme which implies innocent people dying because of their feuding families - a perfect cover story for the doctor to capitalise on.
If the families are trying to frame the doctor together by killing each other's people... well it'd make sense why the doc thinks they're stupid but it's also impossible - the killers would already be identified and the family members would grieve their lost siblings, leading to revenge... which is what the doctor wants you to do by accusing the two families.

Dr Lenfer was absent during the play, with no alibi - he could've planted evidence in their houses and / or killed the graveyard lovers.

So I see him as the killer who (being intelligent) set the families up using a Romeo and Juliet theme of family conflict. But I am missing some really important-sounding clue about his parents to identify a proper motive.

[halcyan2]

At first the obvious suspect is Dr. Lenfer because he both has a gun (of the correct type) and also has poison (cyanide).

But if you investigate further, you'll discover that both victims (Romeo/Juliet and also the woman in the cemetery) died due to strychnine (which is found in the house of one of the families), and not cyanide.

Similarly, if you investigate further you'll discover that the shot victims were shot with hollow point bullets, which you can find in the house of the other family (whereas Dr Lenfer only has normal ammunition).

As to the "why," my understanding is that after unearthing the will and discovering that Dr Lenfer owns the land, each family is killing the other family so they can blame it on the Dr. Their hope is the Dr is then killed/executed so they can then own the land.

Lenfer is hilarious though. Ranks up there with Siegfried and Pangloom in terms of comic relief:

"As a notorious pessimist, I confess to feeling a little disappointed. I expected you to be as shortsighted as my half-wit neighbors."

"If you could reason with stupid people, there would be no stupid people. The best you can do is to pit them against each other."

"No murders since you murdered half of the population. You surely know how to maintain the peace."

Talking to him before the murders are solved and while trying to cure Red Rabies, is also funny, particularly his thoughts regarding Dr. Kronenberg.

[gamingdaddie]

Originally posted by halcyan2:

At first the obvious suspect is Dr. Lenfer because he both has a gun (of the correct type) and also has poison (cyanide).

But if you investigate further, you'll discover that both victims (Romeo/Juliet and also the woman in the cemetery) died due to strychnine (which is found in the house of one of the families), and not cyanide.

Similarly, if you investigate further you'll discover that the shot victims were shot with hollow point bullets, which you can find in the house of the other family (whereas Dr Lenfer only has normal ammunition).

As to the "why," my understanding is that after unearthing the will and discovering that Dr Lenfer owns the land, each family is killing the other family so they can blame it on the Dr. Their hope is the Dr is then killed/executed so they can then own the land.

Lenfer is hilarious though. Ranks up there with Siegfried and Pangloom in terms of comic relief:

"As a notorious pessimist, I confess to feeling a little disappointed. I expected you to be as shortsighted as my half-wit neighbors."

"If you could reason with stupid people, there would be no stupid people. The best you can do is to pit them against each other."

"No murders since you murdered half of the population. You surely know how to maintain the peace."

Talking to him before the murders are solved and while trying to cure Red Rabies, is also funny, particularly his thoughts regarding Dr. Kronenberg.

hahaha this is fun. watching them killing eachother.
so before i choose who the perps are, i positioned all my team member away from the stage nearby, set them all behind cover and away from the stage and set hidden mode. then i send one that have good wisdom to talk to the doctor and tell him they've been killing eachother when the dialog between both houses before the fight start, i tell the guy to go to their hiding place and hide. and when the fight start, i skip all my turn they just shooting at eachother like an idjiet.

[halcyan2]

Originally posted by gamingdaddie:

Originally posted by halcyan2:

At first the obvious suspect is Dr. Lenfer because he both has a gun (of the correct type) and also has poison (cyanide).

But if you investigate further, you'll discover that both victims (Romeo/Juliet and also the woman in the cemetery) died due to strychnine (which is found in the house of one of the families), and not cyanide.

Similarly, if you investigate further you'll discover that the shot victims were shot with hollow point bullets, which you can find in the house of the other family (whereas Dr Lenfer only has normal ammunition).

As to the "why," my understanding is that after unearthing the will and discovering that Dr Lenfer owns the land, each family is killing the other family so they can blame it on the Dr. Their hope is the Dr is then killed/executed so they can then own the land.

Lenfer is hilarious though. Ranks up there with Siegfried and Pangloom in terms of comic relief:

"As a notorious pessimist, I confess to feeling a little disappointed. I expected you to be as shortsighted as my half-wit neighbors."

"If you could reason with stupid people, there would be no stupid people. The best you can do is to pit them against each other."

"No murders since you murdered half of the population. You surely know how to maintain the peace."

Talking to him before the murders are solved and while trying to cure Red Rabies, is also funny, particularly his thoughts regarding Dr. Kronenberg.

hahaha this is fun. watching them killing eachother.
so before i choose who the perps are, i positioned all my team member away from the stage nearby, set them all behind cover and away from the stage and set hidden mode. then i send one that have good wisdom to talk to the doctor and tell him they've been killing eachother when the dialog between both houses before the fight start, i tell the guy to go to their hiding place and hide. and when the fight start, i skip all my turn they just shooting at eachother like an idjiet.

But but but, with each one that is killed by the other family, you are losing out on an opportunity to farm Dexterity, Marksmanship, and XP!!!