Ma Baxter's shotgun: What does "rapid invalidation" mean?

[Ichthyic]

Just got this shotgun; what does the perk "rapid invalidation" do?

[Ichthyic]

ok, I think it just means it has burstfire mode, and it takes less ap (5).

[Cornuthaum]

it *only* has burstfire, even. it's very good at very very very short ranges and absolutely useless in all other circumstances.

[Rücklicht]

The description of so many perks are very badly phrased so it´s hard to understand anything at all. In the German description it seems that the quality of the gun itself decreases faster. Hence I disassembled the gun into trash in front of the poor retarded bar man. He wasn´t even pissed off.

[HozzMidnight]

Is this better than the AA12? That thing with sabots deletes even armored enemies in a pretty spectacular fashion.

[Ichthyic]

it has 1 less ap to use the burst fire, but shorter range and slightly less damage.

but is much easier to get than an AA12

I never found shotties much use against armored targets frankly. sabot does NOT improve damage (like it should IRL) against armor. it just increases range.

[Torpex]

AA12>M1014>auto5>double barrel>rapidmiss garbage

And it is a quest item which is much better used to bump your rep with Port Cacao to turbocharge your mine income.

Oh, and the actual AP ammo for shotties for some reason is breacher.

[Ichthyic]

breacher ammo with shotties = just go melee instead.

[Dre G Writer]

Originally posted by HozzMidnight:

Is this better than the AA12? That thing with sabots deletes even armored enemies in a pretty spectacular fashion.

I found out just how powerful that weapon is the hardway.

Ran up on ol dude all spec ops like, not knowing the weapon he had in his hands, and dude just like, deleted one of my mercs and damn near killed the other two, all in a single burst. i was like
HOLY S**T!!!!

[weppenstolf]

Originally posted by Rücklicht:

The description of so many perks are very badly phrased so it´s hard to understand anything at all. In the German description it seems that the quality of the gun itself decreases faster. Hence I disassembled the gun into trash in front of the poor retarded bar man. He wasn´t even pissed off.

You could be pissed of in hindsight, as you could have used it later, after the assault on the port, with one of the old ladies ;-)

[Giant Space Hamster]

Originally posted by Torpex:

AA12>M1014>auto5>double barrel>rapidmiss garbage

And it is a quest item which is much better used to bump your rep with Port Cacao to turbocharge your mine income.

Oh, and the actual AP ammo for shotties for some reason is breacher.

What? Ma Bax's shogun is better than the AA12, which you've put at the top of your list. Better aim bonus, much better crit chance, lower AP cost. Only slightly lower damage. You don't need any mods to delete people with Ma's shotgun.

[some guy]

i still run baxters shotgun, i think its very good. easy 80 headshot damage on a character with not too high marksmanship. i dont think shotguns are super good but they can be useful on the guys who cant shoot or to clear cover. edit: i guess put it in my backpack some hours ago but i did run it for a pretty long time.

[HozzMidnight]

Originally posted by Giant Space Hamster:

Originally posted by Torpex:

AA12>M1014>auto5>double barrel>rapidmiss garbage

And it is a quest item which is much better used to bump your rep with Port Cacao to turbocharge your mine income.

Oh, and the actual AP ammo for shotties for some reason is breacher.

What? Ma Bax's shogun is better than the AA12, which you've put at the top of your list. Better aim bonus, much better crit chance, lower AP cost. Only slightly lower damage. You don't need any mods to delete people with Ma's shotgun.

That's a bold statement. I will have to go buy it and see. AA12 with sabots is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sick. High AGI character can fire 2 bursts in a turn and it will gib the first dude, armored or not, it hits and then injure anyone behind it.

[Giant Space Hamster]

Here are the baseline stats. Note that the AA12 can be modded a bit, but none of them are too exciting (at least to me). The biggest advantage from modding the AA12 is the scope and side mods which can add some aim, but without being able to increase the aim bonus it still feels lackluster. The lower AP cost and higher crit chance and aim bonuses are enough for me to use Ma Bax's gun over the AA12. But now that I've gone through it in more detail I wouldn't say either is a bad decision, they're closer than I remembered.

Ma Baxter's Argument Invalidator
Damage: 3x22
AP (Burst): 5
Range: 12
Crit Chance: 6
Aiming Bonus: 4
Armor Penetration: None

AA12
Damage: 3x26
AP (Burst): 6
Range: 8 (can be modded to 12)
Crit Chance: 3
Aiming Bonus: 2
Armor Penetration: None

[Torpex]

Barry (my shotgunner) actually hits with AA12, which you can upgrade with laser pointers and sights (you need to spend just one aim AP to get the bonus). It's good on the grenadier/shotgunner as both benefit from movement perks. I got AA12 pretty early and still using it endgame.

When I tried invalidator, Barry was missing with it alot. And Barry's skill was pretty much the same as both shotties are relatively close by.

[Oddball_E8]

Originally posted by Ichthyic:

sabot does NOT improve damage (like it should IRL) against armor. it just increases range.

Actually, IRL, flechettes (which by the description, the sabot is supposed to be) don't work very well in general. Yes, they were designed to improve penetration (more against vegetation than armour, but still), however, it turns out they very often just tumble in the air and hit the target sideways very often.

So, it really doesn't work better against armour in real life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vs_a_guXLeY&ab_channel=TAOFLEDERMAUS