Yeah, I'm giving up on dual wielding

[e11]

Fox is now at Marksmanship 75, and she keeps missing both shots at close range. Her pistols are going into the nearest trash bin. Assault rifles it is.

[Капитан Путан]

75 is still low marksmanship, and you probably want better pistols, with range 20+, because range penalty strikes hard. Anacondas is a good example of a solid pistols.
You can technically be very successful with duals if you want to. There are easier setups though.

[mr_oluap]

just hire hitman and train to 90

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

just hire hitman and train to 90

Pretty sure he's not ambidextrous.

Give Meltdown, Vicki or Tex a call.

[pascal.difolco]

Which weapons do you use ? Anything worse than a pair of modded Glocks is rather bad indeed

[Titan357]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

just hire hitman and train to 90

Pretty sure he's not ambidextrous.

Give Meltdown, Vicki or Tex a call.

No, what that user means is that you use Hitman to train Fox to have better marksmanship.

[Titan357]

Originally posted by e11:

Fox is now at Marksmanship 75, and she keeps missing both shots at close range. Her pistols are going into the nearest trash bin. Assault rifles it is.

Marksmanship 75 is low, anything under 85 is pretty low, in my opinion.
You need to give her some skill mags or have someone train her marksmanship up to about 80 or 85. Until then stick with a single weapon.

Its not your fault really, the game is just very bad at giving the player useful feedback on what is going on. You can get a mod that shows what is going on without having a % to hit displayed.
Its on the workshop. It will show a "+" positive or "-" negative for everything that is going on without telling you % chance to hit.

[Rhapsody]

Originally posted by Titan357:

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Pretty sure he's not ambidextrous.

Give Meltdown, Vicki or Tex a call.

No, what that user means is that you use Hitman to train Fox to have better marksmanship.

Oh, right, it's obvious now. Thanks lol.

But yeah, you could even think of the skill as percentage, with only 100 skill providing 100% chance to hit before other conditions.

[FalconerHG]

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

just hire hitman and train to 90

Hitman is horrendously bad. Got too old, it seems. I can't recommend him for anything except militia training if you are in a pinch.

[mr_oluap]

Originally posted by Rhapsody:

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

just hire hitman and train to 90

Pretty sure he's not ambidextrous.

Give Meltdown, Vicki or Tex a call.

i meant hire Hitman and train Fox to 90, if you want her to hit that is

[pascal.difolco]

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

just hire hitman and train to 90

Too expensive, use your IMP that should be quickly to 90 with bonus points and mags

[mr_oluap]

Originally posted by pascal.difolco:

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

just hire hitman and train to 90

Too expensive, use your IMP that should be quickly to 90 with bonus points and mags

Yeah that works if he has teacher perk, but if that was the case his Fox wouldn't be 75 mrk i think.

By the way i create IMP with 40 aim and train him with Hitman lol

[pascal.difolco]

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

Originally posted by pascal.difolco:

Too expensive, use your IMP that should be quickly to 90 with bonus points and mags

Yeah that works if he has teacher perk, but if that was the case his Fox wouldn't be 75 mrk i think.

By the way i create IMP with 40 aim and train him with Hitman lol

That's an idea, how much time does it take ?

[cifrelettere]

There's a mod to fix something that's likely a bug with dual wield (it's ignoring the single shot -1 AP discount) and it makes dual wield usable. Otherwise yeah, in the base game by dual wielding you can fire two shots are lower accuracy plus don't have the same target bonus all for -1 AP over firing two shots individually. Oh, and can't carry other stuff in your offhand. Dual wield in the base game is pretty much useless.

[mr_oluap]

Originally posted by pascal.difolco:

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

Yeah that works if he has teacher perk, but if that was the case his Fox wouldn't be 75 mrk i think.

By the way i create IMP with 40 aim and train him with Hitman lol

That's an idea, how much time does it take ?

Not sure exactly but it goes up pretty fast, maybe 20 days total from 40 to 90 ? Some guy wrote the formula on an other thread.

I use IMP melee/throwing knives first fights and train whenever i have free time.

After first mine time isn't really an issue anyway.

And if you have multiple low aim mercs like Fox, Mouse, Livewire, even Barry... It's definitely worth it to train them all asap

[pascal.difolco]

Originally posted by mr_oluap:

Originally posted by pascal.difolco:

That's an idea, how much time does it take ?

Not sure exactly but it goes up pretty fast, maybe 20 days total from 40 to 90 ? Some guy wrote the formula on an other thread.

I use IMP melee/throwing knives first fights and train whenever i have free time.

After first mine time isn't really an issue anyway.

And if you have multiple low aim mercs like Fox, Mouse, Livewire, even Barry... It's definitely worth it to train them all asap

20 days ? That's friggin' long, and not my current playstyle, by the time Biff's call occurs (38 days or so after start) I've taken half of the map...