Enemy being able to reflex dodge sneak shots is ridiculous

[Hexatron]

They don't even know you are there, no reflex in the world would be able to dodge a surprise bullet you are not expecting. Fired from a sniper you are not even seeing. When you hear the shot you are already dead.

So lame when a perfect sneak assault on an enemy base fails, cause they can magic dodge that bullet your super hidden sniper just shot at them - and uncover your merc at the same time.

I feel like this skill needs to be rebalanced, to only work on "discovered" mercs, instead of on everyone. Otherwise the stealth mechanics of this game make no sense.

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by Hexatron:

They don't even know you are there, no reflex in the world would be able to dodge a surprise bullet you are not expecting. Fired from a sniper you are not even seeing. When you hear the shot you are already dead.

So lame when a perfect sneak assault on an enemy base fails, cause they can magic dodge that bullet your super hidden sniper just shot at them - and uncover your merc at the same time.

I feel like this skill needs to be rebalanced, to only work on "discovered" mercs, instead of on everyone. Otherwise the stealth mechanics of this game make no sense.

They can't dodge if they are unaware.

[Hexatron]

I just had 2 enemy sniper guys dodge me, without them knowing i was around - so apparently that is not fully true. I had entered the map, hidden, undiscovered. Sneaked up to their positions... and wanted to do a sneaky headshot.

Tried it from one side, then the other after reloading. Both dropped to the ground with their reflex skill and made my hidden sniper miss.

So either i am missing out on something, or your statement isn't true.

[Ruzen]

If sneak kill fails it still does damage, dont get confuse with that damage

[Bronad]

That means your stealth kill did not proc. If it proc'd they would not have been able to dodge but since it did not, it turned into a regular hit they dodged it with lightning reaction.

[Swato85]

Originally posted by ChaosKhan:

Originally posted by Hexatron:

They don't even know you are there, no reflex in the world would be able to dodge a surprise bullet you are not expecting. Fired from a sniper you are not even seeing. When you hear the shot you are already dead.

So lame when a perfect sneak assault on an enemy base fails, cause they can magic dodge that bullet your super hidden sniper just shot at them - and uncover your merc at the same time.

I feel like this skill needs to be rebalanced, to only work on "discovered" mercs, instead of on everyone. Otherwise the stealth mechanics of this game make no sense.

They can't dodge if they are unaware.

Good to know, and hopefully its corect because the poster got me worried that unaware enemies can also dodge for some reason. Overall this skills should only apply for shooters in direct sight and for certain max distance.

Dodging bulets that come from hidden soldiers, from out of sight places, from the back and while being silent is outright stupid and immersion breaking. To have a chance on this the target must be aware of pointing barel and know it was fired at it. Hopefully they update the mechanic to be less fantasy style.

[FatalException]

Friend, this is one of the only mechanics in the game that puts as much as a tiny incovenience into long range stealth sniping.

[ChaosKhan]

Originally posted by Bronad:

That means your stealth kill did not proc. If it proc'd they would not have been able to dodge but since it did not, it turned into a regular hit they dodged it with lightning reaction.

Ah, that might be the case. Unaware enemies are more susceptible to stealth kills, so maybe that's why I got confused there.

[Lightning]

Yeah and mid game the enemies start getting lightning reflex which make it a bit harder, it can proc even on unaware enemies that you snipe from the perfect bush in perfect darkness too i was like what.. lol

[Hexatron]

Originally posted by Bronad:

That means your stealth kill did not proc. If it proc'd they would not have been able to dodge but since it did not, it turned into a regular hit they dodged it with lightning reaction.

Ah ok yes, that must have been it then - but that still sucks if you were perfectly hidden. Unaware enemies should never get the chance to lightnight reflex. How can you dodge something you don't even know is coming.

[Togukawa]

It's immersion breaking ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Especially when you are close range, they dodge, get free move, and proceed to shotgun the sneaking character to death... Hopefully mods will fix it.